PROBLEM PICS- Help Needed

[greggara]

Originally Posted by rlchv70

Your pictures appear to be upside down.

The oil leak in the pictures could be from the glow plug harness. It would drip down.

Fuel gets in the oil 3 ways. Internal fuel leak from injector plumbing, stuck open injector, or DPF regens.

During a regen, the ECU adjusts engine operating parameters to increase the exhaust gas temperatures. One of those methods is through post-injection. If you spend a lot of time idling or driving slowly during the regen, then it has to increase the amount of post-injection.

With that much fuel, though, I would suspect an internal fuel leak.

The pictures were taken with me laying under the truck by the oil pan and looking up. Its the bottom drivers side of the block.

[fusaichi pegasus]

Its looks like you may have an external leak from looking at the horizional egr cooler being oil soaked, However, 23 qts of oil is going to kill the engine if it already hasnt. I would suspect an injector dumping fuel causing the oil to thin and rise at the same time. I would think that the overfill condition this severe would cause a very noticable concern with the DOC and DPF. They do not tolerate moisture of any kind very well and will usually set a mil in the PCM. One thing you can do is remove the the EBP tube and stick a q-tip into the hole and see if there is oil on it. If there is, Plenty of ammo to show the dealer. Hope this helps but I must admit that the inability of several dealerships to see the problem leaves me wondering if we are missing all the info of the concern. As for the excessive idling, You can check the maintainence internival by compairing the engine hours to the oil change interval. 1 engine hour equates to 30 miles on the vech.

[greggara]

The dealer wants to change the oil in my truck so they can see it first hand so I will bring it back in after 3000 miles.

I find this fair. They are at least willing to acknowledge there might be a problem.

Thanks for all the help.

[Gofaster23]

Originally Posted by greggara

The dealer wants to change the oil in my truck so they can see it first hand so I will bring it back in after 3000 miles.

I find this fair. They are at least willing to acknowledge there might be a problem.

Thanks for all the help.

Unecessary. If they followed the correct diagnostic procedures all they have to do to verify an oil overfull condition is check the engine oil level using the short stick method, which they can do in the service drive (you can do it in your driveway). 8 quarts of extra oil drained from the crankcase is not from excessive idling or normal from regeneration. The dealer should perform pin point test AB from the PCED. If they did that (which they should have done a while ago and should be doing now) they would most likely find the root cause of the concern. By them telling you they need to drain the oil so they can see it themselves and telling you to come back in 3,000 miles tells me that A. They don't want to handle the problem and are buying time, hoping you go away. B. They don't see a lot of 6.4 traffic and don't have the experience. C. Got burned on previous 6.4 repairs and are scared to perform any major work in fear of loosing money.

[greggara]

Originally Posted by Gofasterdammit

Unecessary. If they followed the correct diagnostic procedures all they have to do to verify an oil overfull condition is check the engine oil level using the short stick method, which they can do in the service drive (you can do it in your driveway). 8 quarts of extra oil drained from the crankcase is not from excessive idling or normal from regeneration. The dealer should perform pin point test AB from the PCED. If they did that (which they should have done a while ago and should be doing now) they would most likely find the root cause of the concern. By them telling you they need to drain the oil so they can see it themselves and telling you to come back in 3,000 miles tells me that A. They don't want to handle the problem and are buying time, hoping you go away. B. They don't see a lot of 6.4 traffic and don't have the experience. C. Got burned on previous 6.4 repairs and are scared to perform any major work in fear of loosing money.

He said they had it hooked to the computer while driving and it didnt show any codes. He also was in contact with a ford engineer or something and he wanted to know if I was using biodiesel.

I told him I was hearing a high pitched noise like a belt under any acceleration. He said the tech couldnt hear it. I knew that was BS because it was obnoxious.
He called back and said I have a broken exhaust piece somewhere and said that was making the high pitched noise I was hearing. He ordered the parts yesterday and I have not heard from him today.

This is the third time I have had it serviced for this problem. Getting tired of it.

I have used the short stick method and the oil was over the plastic by at least half an inch.

I dont know if they think I have nothing better to do with my time other than make up bogus problems with my engine but surprisingly I do have better and more important things to do. I need the truck for work and this is the first week all summer with nice weather and I cant tow my boat. First and maybe last diesel.

[greggara]

Originally Posted by Gofasterdammit

Unecessary. If they followed the correct diagnostic procedures all they have to do to verify an oil overfull condition is check the engine oil level using the short stick method, which they can do in the service drive (you can do it in your driveway). 8 quarts of extra oil drained from the crankcase is not from excessive idling or normal from regeneration. The dealer should perform pin point test AB from the PCED. If they did that (which they should have done a while ago and should be doing now) they would most likely find the root cause of the concern. By them telling you they need to drain the oil so they can see it themselves and telling you to come back in 3,000 miles tells me that A. They don't want to handle the problem and are buying time, hoping you go away. B. They don't see a lot of 6.4 traffic and don't have the experience. C. Got burned on previous 6.4 repairs and are scared to perform any major work in fear of loosing money.

Is there a D? All of the above.

[wp6529]

Given the fact that the Ford service manual has very clear charts and procedures for diagnosing overfull oil level due to fuel or coolant contamination, I'd say that if the engine blows up you have a pretty solid case for negligence against the dealer(s) who claimed the overfull oil condition was "normal". Order the service manuald CD (~$170) from Helm to review all those procedures yourself and to have the materials to present in court to show the negligence.

[sameolething]

After reading all of this and your headaches with your truck, I sure wish I wouldn't have traded in my perfectly good 120k mile Dodge CTD.

My 08 PSD has been back to the dealer several times and that's where it sits right now as I speak.

Had to cancel a camping trip because of it.

Do you think that the Focus they gave me to use will tow my 8000 lb. fifth wheel??

I wish you luck and I hope things work out for you. As for me, reading all the crap on here is like looking into a crystal ball showing me what kind of headaches await me.

[greggara]

I got the truck back one week after I dropped it off. They changed the right side turbo inlet flex joint. It was leaking causing the high pitched noise I was hearing.


They also changed the right front and right rear tire presure monitors.

They told me to watch the oil and bring it in for its next oil change to verify the oil is overfull.

I have to say that I cant remember when my engine ran so smooth and quiet. Other people noticed who ride in my truck commenting on the quietness. I guess that turbo pipe must have been leaking for a while.
It also feels very powerful compared to before.

I also mentioned a pulley noise but amazingly they couldnt hear it although he informed me of some tsb concerning pulleys.

Thanks for all your help.