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So Ford Recalls 37,000 vehicles because three of them had a problem with fuel leaking into the exhaust...I say big deal. Only two of the leaks have been attributed to injectors. So 2 trucks in >9,000 already sold had the same confirmed problem(s); some disagree, but that seems like a pretty good ratio to me. It's amusing to me how so many people are automatically assuming that this will be the end of the 6.4 and Ford. If three torqshifts in 9,000 were reportly taken back to dealership with the same problem (which i'm sure was the case), nobody would care...a lot of people seem a little trigger happy with this.
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2008 F250 Lariat, 4X4 Off Road, Snowplow Package, Nav System, Tow Command
1995 F150 5spd 4x4
You keep forgetting that Ford is in financial trouble and really doesn't need any recalls or faulty injectors, or turbo shafts.
In my neck of the woods it used to be all Ford, hardly seen any other brand. Now all you see is the Ram with the Cummins. I think it is a BIG DEAL! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
I couldn't agree more. Ford rep Jarvis I believe was his name even stated the turbo shaft failure was due to the truck not being properly warmed up in -20f temps in Canada.
Do the math 3 / 8,0000 is .000375% failure rate. PRETTY DARN GOOD if you ask me......
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I couldn't agree more. Ford rep Jarvis I believe was his name even stated the turbo shaft failure was due to the truck not being properly warmed up in -20f temps in Canada.
Do the math 3 / 8,0000 is .000375% failure rate. PRETTY DARN GOOD if you ask me......
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Not good enough for Ford quality standards. Try and tell that to the Ford purchasing department if you're a supplier to them. They will tell you ZERO DEFECTS is the only acceptable quality standard. As they beat the last drop of profit out of you. So no it isn't good.
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2006 Dodge CTD 2500 SLT 4X4 Quad Cab Long Bed 6 Speed.
Traded:2004 F250CC FX4 XLT Long Bed Torque Shift, $5.00 AIC.
Thanks Jason. I was wondering where that was quoted from since I know of at least two incidents involving injectors. I just didn't think that both encompassed all of the failures noted. But, gotta' believe the Page Ranking guys. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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You keep forgetting that Ford is in finacial trouble and really doesn't need any recalls or faulty injectors, or turbo shafts.
In my neck of the woods it used to be all Ford, hardly seen any other brand. Now all you see is the Ram with the Cummins. I think it is a BIG DEAL! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
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True the recall does not bode well for business, but my point was that people are jumping to conclusions assuming that the problems with these three vehicles will carry over to a large portion of the trucks sold(and the 6.4 will be junk), and it is just to early to make that assumption. I could have done a better job at getting my point across, and i apologize.
-Jason
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2008 F250 Lariat, 4X4 Off Road, Snowplow Package, Nav System, Tow Command
1995 F150 5spd 4x4
Ok, so 2 in 37,000 trucks isn't that great of a percentage. But it makes you think when you consider that the majority of that 37,000 is still sitting on dealer lots and hasn't had any real miles put on them.
My calculation was based on the 8k that another member stated were actually sold so the .000375% failure rate so far looks like a small number. That being said it definetely needed to be addressed, all it takes is one on the news.
Dodge boys are having a hey day with this, don't know the whole story, but it's definetely being talked about. Hearing issues over there about engines with piston problems. Supposedly one dealer has two engines currently torn apart due to piston issues. Nothing is perfect it seems...
Since I was planning to buy a 2008 F350 (or maybe 2009 now!), I was wondering something. When/if the real "hardware" fix is identified for this problem, will Ford/Navistar normally make such hardware changes during a model year? Or do they normally wait until the new model year to make any major engine fix?
Thanks
Gary
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2008 F350 Lariat SRW SWB CC 4x2 PSD Auto, Oxford White with Pueblo Gold Trim
Problem resulted from two injector failures and one turbo failure, turbo failure was attributed to cold weather operation without warm up. I also read that injector failure was caused by an injector not being torqued properly (not sure if this was the case on the other) thus causing a problem with the brass seal and eventual injector failure. So there really isn't a hardware issue. Navistar will probably be really watching the torque ratings although and the turbo issue would be expected if you are running under heavy boost while the engine is -20f without proper warm up. Recall program will monitor the DPF temps within new parameters so that in the rare event your injector or turbo shaft fails (truck was also tested in Prudhoe Bay Alaska) and dumps additional fuel into the exhaust system a check engine light or message of sorts comes up letting you know it needs to be serviced. If the temperature in the DPF continues to be elevated the truck will begin to loose power due to fuel and air being cut off to prevent any ignition in the exhaust. This being said the check engine/message will only illuminate if there is a problem such as stated above.
Percentage so far of failures is minascule at this time, but this needed to be done in order to prevent more than the three that have already occured.
First of all, how many hours and miles are on those engines ? Almost none. So what are those injectors going to be like with 200,000 miles on them ?
And as far as the turbo, I've parked my 7.3 outside overnight at 20 below and started it. Its never had a turbo problem. Does the 6.4 need special care in cold weather ? Does it say something about that in the owners manual ?
I just watched the video. Are the 6.4s going to be flamethrowers when the injectors get worn ?
One more thing... the recall paper said that the flames started under special circumstances when the the engine is hot. The engine in the video is idling. It doesn't seem hot to me unless they just got done pulling a trailer up a big hill or something. Why is it throwing flames when its cold ?
This might not be a big deal to you, but I am thinking of buying a Ford truck and this IS a big deal to me. I don't think I'm alone and that makes it a big deal to Ford.
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