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Old 10-22-2007, 12:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Some advice please!

Hi, I am new to the world of diesels/towing but I am taking the leap due to an increasing commitment to going to the track and my car being pretty much unstreetable. I am ordering a 2008 F350 XL DRW 4x4 6.4 with a bunch of options. I know that is overkill for one car, but a lot of times I will also be hauling my buddy's car. Anyway, I am in Iraq and have what I feel is a good price through military sales and will have the truck delivered in March/April when I get back. A few questions:

1. I keep seeing on this board that dealers are discounting up to 10k off msrp...can anyone point me in a specific direction?

2. My friend has a one car aluminum trailer, but we are planning on selling that and geting a two car gooseneck. However, since he is married with kids I envision a bunch of times where he pusses out of goin gto the track and some tracks are long distance. Would it be worth it to have a one car tailer or is the mileage not much different?

3. For the winter, I want to run Toyo Open Country Mud Terrains, as those things are amazing. Tha smallest size is 265/70/17. Am I gonna need spacers on the rear?

4. I am getting a 4.10 limited slip as an option, but should I just stick with the open 3.73?

5. I am getting a manual 6sp since I hate automatics...is this stupid of me? In other words, am I asking for trouble?

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Re: Some advice please!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tfunk88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, I am new to the world of diesels/towing but I am taking the leap due to an increasing commitment to going to the track and my car being pretty much unstreetable. I am ordering a 2008 F350 XL DRW 4x4 6.4 with a bunch of options. I know that is overkill for one car, but a lot of times I will also be hauling my buddy's car. Anyway, I am in Iraq and have what I feel is a good price through military sales and will have the truck delivered in March/April when I get back. A few questions:

1. I keep seeing on this board that dealers are discounting up to 10k off msrp...can anyone point me in a specific direction?

2. My friend has a one car aluminum trailer, but we are planning on selling that and geting a two car gooseneck. However, since he is married with kids I envision a bunch of times where he pusses out of goin gto the track and some tracks are long distance. Would it be worth it to have a one car tailer or is the mileage not much different?

3. For the winter, I want to run Toyo Open Country Mud Terrains, as those things are amazing. Tha smallest size is 265/70/17. Am I gonna need spacers on the rear?

4. I am getting a 4.10 limited slip as an option, but should I just stick with the open 3.73?

5. I am getting a manual 6sp since I hate automatics...is this stupid of me? In other words, am I asking for trouble?

Thanks for any help/advice/humor! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

SGT Todd Funkhouser </div></div>

Sarge,

Welcome to TDS & thanks for your service to the country.

In answer to #1, where will you be stationed or be when you get back? If its west coast, you're best bet is Bobby Williams at Sunrise Ford in Fontana, CA. If you mid-west, Cochise Wills is in Texas (forget what dealer). Both guys are tops at getting us into a good deal on a PSD.

Have you looked at the difference in a XLT vs. XL? You may be cheaper to do the XLT than mod a XL??

2. Get the bigger trailer. With the truck you're looking at you'll never notice the difference (the economy will be about the same).

3. Don't know.

4. Do you really need a dually?? (Like maybe a camper & tag trailer instead of the goose?) If you do, go with the 4.10.

5. I like my manual and feel it gives me more control in the hills. If you're going to be doing allot of traffic, the auto would be nice. The torqueshift is a good trans if you don't mod the truck to heavy - if you do start adding stuff, I'd consider a rebuild by BTS.

Good luck w/ the new truck, and keep your head down over there. We want you back in one piece.
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Re: Some advice please!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OMCUSNR_RET</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
2. Get the bigger trailer. With the truck you're looking at you'll never notice the difference (the economy will be about the same).

4. Do you really need a dually?? (Like maybe a camper & tag trailer instead of the goose?) If you do, go with the 4.10.

Good luck w/ the new truck, and keep your head down over there. We want you back in one piece.
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I agree with #2…. Get the bigger trailer if you can because it’s amazing how fast you run out of run. I just bought a ’36 gooseneck to replace my ’26 tag and I’m already looking for more room in the trailer. Plus, if you're buddy pusses out and stops going to the track you can turn the front part into living quarters. As for economy, the gooseneck might be a little cheaper to run because the air will flow over the truck and trailer as one unit instead of two. With a tag the wind is broken by the truck first and then again by the tag the front of the trailer. With almost every truck the air flow dips back down shortly after it passes over the cab so you’re pushing through the same air twice with an enclosed tag trailer. When I made the change from my old ’26 tag to my new ’36 gooseneck I noticed a small (maybe 1-1.5mph) difference on the new trailer. The gooseneck weighs 5760 lbs empty and my tag weighed 5820 lbs empty (yea gotta love aluminum) so I think the difference is a direct result of how close the nose of the trailer is to the truck and it’s helping the air flow.

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Go dually or not go dually that is the question….. Personally, I’d pick the dually because you never know what you may by next and they handle large trailers like they aren’t even there. Question, do they make an “enclosed” tag trailer long enough to fit two cars?? I thought a gooseneck or fifth wheel was your only option if you want an “enclosed” two care trailer.
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Re: Some advice please!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tfunk88</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anyway, I am in Iraq and have what I feel is a good price through military sales and will have the truck delivered in March/April when I get back. </div></div>

Bad move. BX/PX/NEX is great for a lot of things, but not for a new vehicle.

Contact Bobby Williams at http://www.sunrisefordfleet.com and ask him for his price on your vehicle delivered to a Ford dealer anywhere you want it. Tell him your DROS and ask him to have the new truck waiting for you when you arrive back in the land of the big PX. Bobby will beat the PX price by a bunch, plus he'll keep you informed as to the exact status of your order.

Get Bobby's price and compare it to your PX price. I suspect you'll cancel your PX order.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2. Would it be worth it to have a one car tailer or is the mileage not much different?</div></div>
Mileage is not much different. Frontal area of the trailer is the big MPG killer, and a 30' trailer and a 46' trailer have about the same frontal area.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">4. I am getting a 4.10 limited slip as an option, but should I just stick with the open 3.73? </div></div>
F-350 DRW PSD CrewCab 4x4 with 3.73 or 4.10 rear end has a GCWR of 23,500 pounds. The wet and loaded truck will gross about 9,000, leaving 14,500 for max wet and loaded trailer weight. Is that enough for a 46' gooseneck race trailer? If you might sneak up over 14,500 pounds gross trailer weight, then consider ordering the TowBoss pkg which will include a 4.30 rear end. That will give you an additional 2,500 pounds of trailer weight capacity, or a max trailer weight around 17,000 pounds.

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http://www.paceamerican.com/trailers...gnfw/#specInfo

Look at model # SCXF8546TTA4. That is a "two car" race trailer. 37'8" long in the "box". So each car could be up to 18.5' long. Dry weight is 8,252, so when empty it weighs more than my wet and loaded 5er. 18k GVWR, so it has a net weight capacity of up to 9,748. That's two cars grossing 3,500 each plus 2,700 pounds for tools, tires and wheels, fluids, etc. So that's the trailer you need for two cars and race stuff.

But, oops!, 18k GVWR when loaded to the gills. That's a lot more than the 14.5k we're allowed with an F-350 DRW with 4.10 rear end.

Therefore, the stick shifter and 4.10 axle is out if we stick with an F-350 DRW. You need the TowBoss pkg to get 26,000 pounds GCWR. But that pkg is available only with automagic tranny, and it includes the 4.30 limited slip rear end.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5. I am getting a manual 6sp since I hate automatics...is this stupid of me? In other words, am I asking for trouble? </div></div>
The only trouble might be when you get ready to sell it or trade it in. Stick shifters are hard to find on dealer lots for a reason. Very few people want one, so they are much harder to sell at a good price. You'll pay less up front, but you'll probably get a lot less when you get ready to get rid of it.

Another "trouble" might be later on when your sweetheart can't drive it because it's a hand shaker. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif[/img]

Other than that, buy what you want. It doesn't matter what I want or anyone else wants - except perhaps for future resale value.

Now, if you want to tow that 46' two-car race trailer without exceeding the weight limits of the truck, and you really want the stick shifter, then you can still get it. But not in an F-350. You need the F-450 pickup. You can get the F-450 pickup with diesel engine, hand shaker tranny, and 26k GCWR.

BTW, I have over 30 years active and reserve military time, and I once bought a new Corvette from GMs' Overseas Military Sales Division for delivery near the factory on my DROS. But that wasn't last week. Back then, the 'Vette factory was in Saint Louis, and my 'Vette was a new '65 Stingray coupe. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif[/img]
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I was thinking, they make some pretty good sized 5th wheel toy haulers. You might not get 2 cars in, but then again you might if you get a big one.
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Thanks all for your help!

I am considering the dually because like on eof you said, ya never know what I might tow later. Also, I have been told by several that it is smoother for towing on road...is that true?

The single car trailer my friend has is an open trailer, as for a 2 car trailer I was considering both an open gooseneck and enclosed, though I would prefer enclosed. It just depends what kind of pricing I can find.

I will definitely check out the dealerships mentioned, as I don't really care where I get it from I just want the best price!

By the way, just a little info about my payload: each car is approx 12' long and weighs 3300lb. I will have about 700-1000lb equipment and approx 500lb in passengers...maybe I need to lose a few lbs. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
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Thanks for the detailed help!

And thanks much more for YOUR service to our country! Looks like I still have some more deciding to do!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tfunk88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.. each car is approx 12' long and weighs 3300lb. I will have about 700-1000lb equipment and approx 500lb in passengers. </div></div>

So you need a box 26' to 28' long with a payload of around 8,000 pounds.

Pace has the SCVF8536TTA3 with a 27'8" box plus the overhang for stuff. 15k GVWR and 8k payload. That's your trailer.

But 15k is still more than the about 14.5k max trailer weight that can be towed with an F-350 DRW with stick shift and 4.10 axle without exceeding Ford's weight limits. So you still need F-450 if you want a hand shaker, or the TowBoss pkg in an F-350 with automagic tranny.

Open trailers are a lot less money and a bit lighter. The BigTex 18GN gooseneck triple-axle can be ordered with a 28' flat deck and weighs 6,260. It has three 6k axles for a GVWR of 18k. It will cost a lot less than a Pace race trailer, but it's not nearly as useful. No place for "stuff". Click here.
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