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Old 02-21-2008, 05:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Torqshift Transmission Filter

I have looked in the threads to date and can't find any useful information on the external transmission filter for the 2008 Torqshift transmission.

I am almost to that 30K mile mark and will soon need service. I was unaware that they had even changed from the old "toilet paper" style filter to this new style.

Has anyone been able to locate and/or purchase this filter? What have you paid to have the service done at the dealer?

I was quoted about $270 for the filter and fluid change which is about twice what it was on my '05.
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I have looked in the threads to date and can't find any useful information on the external transmission filter for the 2008 Torqshift transmission.

I am almost to that 30K mile mark and will soon need service. I was unaware that they had even changed from the old "toilet paper" style filter to this new style.

Has anyone been able to locate and/or purchase this filter? What have you paid to have the service done at the dealer?

I was quoted about $270 for the filter and fluid change which is about twice what it was on my '05.
If your truck is a job 1 build ,you have the external filter.If you are a job 2,you don't have one.Ford deleted it!
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They deleted it because the internal filter has been improved to filter better than the external filter. And the internal filter filters 100% of the fluid, the external was a bypass filter and only filtered 10%. And when the trans is below 165F the flow to the cooler is 10% of normal, so the external filter was only filtering 10% of 10%!

The fluid will be cleaner with the new internal filter.
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My truck is in my signature. Yes, it is a Job 1 truck and yes it does have the external filter.

One of the other threads mentioned that FMC eliminated the external filter on the Job 2 trucks in favor of an internal filter that does do a better job. The downfall is that the transmission pan has to be removed in order to replace. Although it will only be required every 60K miles I still see this as much more expensive maintenance procedure.

Any help on the Job 1 filter that is mounted in a canister just below the bell housing?
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They deleted it because the internal filter has been improved to filter better than the external filter. And the internal filter filters 100% of the fluid, the external was a bypass filter and only filtered 10%. And when the trans is below 165F the flow to the cooler is 10% of normal, so the external filter was only filtering 10% of 10%!

The fluid will be cleaner with the new internal filter.
Hey Mark, do you think you could help me out over on this thread

tranny delay P-R-D

I've read of a pca solenoid possibly being the culprit. Your opinion/input is greatly appreciated. thanks.
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Has anyone had any experiemce with this?

I know there are members with the external filter and more than 30K miles. Let me hear from you!
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Has anyone had any experiemce with this?

I know there are members with the external filter and more than 30K miles. Let me hear from you!
I need help with this too.
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Torqshift Transmission Filter

Here are the comments in the 2008 F-Super Duty 250-550 Workshop Manual on the Torqshift Transmission Filter

Early Build Vehicles With Externally Mounted Remote Filter

NOTICE: Early build vehicles, those equipped with an externally mounted remote filter, are also equipped with a different design sump filter and bottom pan. Always pair the sump filter with the correct bottom pan design, to avoid cavitation, filter cracking and transmission damage.

lLate Build Vehicles Without Remote Filter and With Serviceable High Efficiency Sump Filter (HESF)

NOTICE: Late build vehicles replace the remote filter with a serviceable high efficiency sump filter (HESF), which requires a wider and deeper bottom pan. Always pair the sump filter with the correct bottom pan design, to avoid cavitation, filter cracking and transmission damage.
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So, if you were to have a job 1 TS, could you change the pan and sump filter to the new style and "delete" the external filter? Just a thought, haven't done it.....yet.
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So, if you were to have a job 1 TS, could you change the pan and sump filter to the new style and "delete" the external filter? Just a thought, haven't done it.....yet.
I was thinking the same thing but the pick up on the filter is different so it can't be done. I was going to buy a Mag-Hytec pan with the new style filter and bypass the external filter. I guess I will stick with the stock stuff for now.
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I have looked in the threads to date and can't find any useful information on the external transmission filter for the 2008 Torqshift transmission.

I am almost to that 30K mile mark and will soon need service. I was unaware that they had even changed from the old "toilet paper" style filter to this new style.

Has anyone been able to locate and/or purchase this filter? What have you paid to have the service done at the dealer?

I was quoted about $270 for the filter and fluid change which is about twice what it was on my '05.
My 2008 Job 1 F250 just came back from the dealer...they changed the transmission fluid and left the old filter in place. They told me that they would order a filter and replace it later.

I'm not crazy about their decision to change the fluid and leave the filter in place without even calling me (I would have opted to change everything at once), but I'm even more concerned that the flush and fluid replacement cost me $200, and they are quoting $180 extra for the filter alone.

I'm not sure exactly how many Job 1's were manufactured, but if this price increase is indicative of times to come, how much is one of these filters going to cost in five years?

I would install it myself, and maybe keep an extra one around for later, but I can't find them for sale online anywhere. Has anyone had better luck?
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I just bought the external filter from here

Amazon.com: Motorcraft FT-176

It requires special Ford tool to replace. Price was $85 including shipping.
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I just bought the external filter from here

Amazon.com: Motorcraft FT-176

It requires special Ford tool to replace. Price was $85 including shipping.
Awesome, thanks!
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Here is the link for the tool SPX Motorcraft - Detail: 307-459 - Disconnect Tool, Transmission Cooler Line

this might be an interesting read....Transmission Question?
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Thanks RocK Doc! Now I got the disconnect tool too. Now time for some Mercon LV.
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