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Old 10-05-2010, 12:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Banks and DPF delete?

Any way to do this? Need to improve those MPG's!
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Look at this site DPF-R "THE" DPF DELETE. As per the feedbacks seems that their programmers DPF-R and DPF-R+ work fine with the 6.4 PSD SixGun.

According to Gear Box Z Inc., the DPF-R+ also works with the SixGun because the dpf delete (DPF-R) can be installed as a stand alone or in a pack with their Eco Tune (DPF-R+). So if you purchased the DPF-R+ you could try out their Eco Tune and if you wish you could still go back to the SixGun later on and just use the DPF delete option of their programmer.
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With Banks, not yet.

Right now, your option is as Caribe suggested. I've read pretty good things regarding the DPF-R+
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Perfect. Thanks for guys.
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The DPFr seems to be an economy tune, is this the case? For more power, perhaps the spartan is the way to go - any thoughts?
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I'm about to do dpf and cat delete with spartan on my 450. I hope my mpg's go up.
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The DPF-R only deletes the regeneration sequence in such way that the PCM not even know what is a DPF. The DPF-R+ do the same plus includes the ECO-Tune which is intended to maximize the MPG in a conservative way, so it is safe for towing. I am seriously considering that option since wants to keep this truck for my son, he is 13 years old. I also wants to have the option to use my Six-Gun because I am quite happy with it.
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Basically you can use the DPFr along with the Banks? The DPFr eliminating the DPF from the computer and straight piping the exhaust. Then using the Banks to make more power. I understand that. Isn't the banks tuned and programmed to have the back pressure from the DPF? Or do you think that the Banks will continue to make power as usual (or possibly even better)?
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According to the feedbacks posted at the DPF-R's site, it works quite well with the Six-Gun. I also have (in written) a Gearbox Z confirmation that their product works fine (without conflicts) with the Six-Gun.

In the other hand I have the same exact question than you. The Six-Gun was conceptualized to get the more power possible with 2% less, the same, and 2% more soot compared with the stock programming (having the back-pressure imposed by the DPF). Then could it work efficiently and effectively without a DPF installed? I don't know, I guess that yes. But what I surely know is that want to see the least soot possible with a straight pipe and EGR blocking plates installed. And if I can shift on the fly the power levels based on the EGT much better. I will do a call to Banks' Technical Services department appealing to know what I should expect from the Six-Gun with the aforementioned set up. They know the design architecture of the Six-Gun system so could deduce how it should work without the known back-pressure. I will let you know.
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According to the feedbacks posted at the DPF-R's site, it works quite well with the Six-Gun. I also have (in written) a Gearbox Z confirmation that their product works fine (without conflicts) with the Six-Gun.

In the other hand I have the same exact question than you. The Six-Gun was conceptualized to get the more power possible with 2% less, the same, and 2% more soot compared with the stock programming (having the back-pressure imposed by the DPF). Then could it work efficiently and effectively without a DPF installed? I don't know, I guess that yes. But what I surely know is that want to see the least soot possible with a straight pipe and EGR blocking plates installed. And if I can shift on the fly the power levels based on the EGT much better. I will do a call to Banks' Technical Services department appealing to know what I should expect from the Six-Gun with the aforementioned set up. They know the design architecture of the Six-Gun system so could deduce how it should work without the known back-pressure. I will let you know.

Thanks, keep me posted
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Since the DPF product chnages programming and the Banks 6 Gun does not - it intercepts and modified signals - there is no reason on the surface they should interfere. The backpressure in the exhaust being "not normal" as seen by the 6 Gun should be something it can command around.

Not sure what the DPF does with the exhaust temp signals - if one goes bad it disables the engine normally - if the Banks needs them it might stumble over them missing.
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I just talked abut this subject with someone at Banks Technical Support. He told me without hesitate the following.

1st - The 6.4s SixGun will work fine with a PCM program that is as the stock one except by that regeneration sequence is deleted and an EGRs closing output is programmed on it.

2nd - The SixGun will work efficiently anyway, with or without the DPF and having the EGRs blocked.

3rd Using the SixGun the immediate motor exhaust will contain the same soot levels with or without the DPF back pressure.
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Upss. Now received in written the following answer (which business wise is also understandable) for my yesterday's on-line request.

"Because Gale Banks Engineering strives to design and manufacture products to be emissions compliant we develop our products to work with factory emissions components rather than to eliminate them. We do not perform any testing on vehicles with any emission components removed. Nor do we recommend removing, bypassing or disabling any factory emissions components. It is for these reasons that we are unable to determine how our products will perform under these conditions."

Decisions, decisions!
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Upss. Now received in written the following answer (which business wise is also understandable) for my yesterday's on-line request.

"Because Gale Banks Engineering strives to design and manufacture products to be emissions compliant we develop our products to work with factory emissions components rather than to eliminate them. We do not perform any testing on vehicles with any emission components removed. Nor do we recommend removing, bypassing or disabling any factory emissions components. It is for these reasons that we are unable to determine how our products will perform under these conditions."

Decisions, decisions!
They are very interested in attaining emission and keeping certification and therefore cannot promote mods that might endanger that.

My biggest reason to remove the dpf is to avoid the regen cycle that has gone berserk since installing the Banks (at higher power levels). I have the option of taking the banks off OR run it in stock position - kind of defeats the purpose. I will try the reflash that the Banks Tech recommended (although seems unlikely) and then go to the next step.

I will keep you posted also on my progress.

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After reflash from the factory and ram air, the truck runs great. I am not thinking of changing the dpf at this time - things are great. Over 10 miles to the gallon towing and no black soot on the trailer.
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