Banks Six Gun

[duke63]

i am installing a banks power ram intake on my 2008 f250 and was wondering if there are any helpful tips. i am a novice at this but excited to install it

[The-Duke]

Originally Posted by smotrs

You perform this once after installing the Banks tuner. Once you perform this once in each setting, it's learned and no longer needs to be performed. At which time switching is on-the-fly.

I read the manual the same way - that this was a "one time" procedure for each setting. Guess we will have to wait for those that have UPS confirmations to give us the real story.

As a side note - while the manual does a great job of showing how to install the selector knob it sure isn't "to subtle" for those worried about warranty issues with the dealer.

[smotrs]

Originally Posted by Caribe_Pick_up

Smotrs

The procedure must be repeated each time you change to a higher power level, in Section 4 is clearly stated, “The transmission learning procedure will need to be repeated when switching back to the higher power settings once the transmission adapts to the lower power settings.”

Originally Posted by The-Duke

I read the manual the same way - that this was a "one time" procedure for each setting. Guess we will have to wait for those that have UPS confirmations to give us the real story.

As a side note - while the manual does a great job of showing how to install the selector knob it sure isn't "to subtle" for those worried about warranty issues with the dealer.

After re-reading the procedure several times in the PDF, I think Caribe may be right. The only thing I can think of is that it's some thing new with the trannies on 2008+ vehicles. Does kind of defeat the purpose of on-the-fly switching. I tried doing what it said this morning to see, and I couldn't find any roads that I could do it on. Freeway too busy, side/main streets too risky.

[Caribe_Pick_up]

Originally Posted by The-Duke

I read the manual the same way - that this was a "one time" procedure for each setting. Guess we will have to wait for those that have UPS confirmations to give us the real story.

As a side note - while the manual does a great job of showing how to install the selector knob it sure isn't "to subtle" for those worried about warranty issues with the dealer.

Thanks for both feedbacks! Does someone understand the procedure as Smotrs and Duke? If so, then fortunately I am wrong.

Regarding the selector knob, if I keep with the system, I will try to install it within the center console (the mine has captain chairs w/center console). A Banks representative told me that the OBD II Interface Cable is around 10’ long. It should be enough to reach the center console or the gloves compartment at the passenger side.

Bankspower, could you please comment to clarify about how the transmission learning procedure is? The procedure needs to be repeated each time one wants to go up from a lower power level? For example: I already trained the transmission on all levels up to 6, using the truck on that level for sometime. Then, needed to pull a trailer and returned to level 1 for sometime. Thereafter, to return to level 6, I must repeat again the transmission learning procedure at each level up to 6? Does the Six-Gun stores in someway the transmission learning curves experienced on each of the previously trained levels?

[AIRDOG1138]

Mr. Banks Power -

So what's the offiicial word on this new question as to shifting on the fly procedure. Do you have to go through the "smash the pedal to the floor 3 times for each level" each time you switch settings or is it a 1 times set up procedure. If you have to go through that every time - what a drag.

I don't think that will stop me from buying one, but it sure seems like a lot to try and do. I'd rather have to solve a rubix cube each time than do that.

[Craig1963]

All,

OK, I have been reading this threat and I have just a ton of questions.

I have never owned a diesel and this is my first, and did I go all out. 2008 F350 Dually King Ranch 4x4.

Through out this thread Bank Power and all the tuners out there talk about all these settings i.e., 1 thru 6. Can someone please explain what each setting does or is suppose to do and when you should use one setting over another.

To Bank Power - Not to criticize a product I do not own, but the reason I was watching this thread was for the purchase of this 6 gun tuner. Price is not an option in my case. But, as a non-mechanic or someone that does not like to tinker with things, I would have thought that this would be a plug and play. What I am saying is most drivers are not going to remember that when they go from one level to the next that they have to perform steps 1 thru 35 (exaggerating). Suggest that you build into the module a program that reminds the driver to perform those steps.

In my case I solely want this for fuel economy, however, if I am going to get it I want it with all the bells and whistles and latest devices, controllers, modules and anything else you can throw on it.

The other question I have is to the general population on here. Why do people install tuners. programs etc on their vehicle if they know it will void the warranty. I read in my owners manual that besides the ECM on these trucks there is also an event recorder seperate from the ECM. This event recorder, records anytime anything is changed on the settings from the factory. There is another port to access this, but the owners manual did not say where, ony stating that "your authorized Ford Mechanic can access this to determine mechanical and other technical data from the computer"

thanks

[smotrs]

Originally Posted by Craig1963

All,

OK, I have been reading this threat and I have just a ton of questions.

I have never owned a diesel and this is my first, and did I go all out. 2008 F350 Dually King Ranch 4x4.

Through out this thread Bank Power and all the tuners out there talk about all these settings i.e., 1 thru 6. Can someone please explain what each setting does or is suppose to do and when you should use one setting over another.

Settings 1 - 6 are represented in the following manner.

Setting 1 - Off
Setting 2 - 20% of available power
Setting 3 - 40% " " "
Setting 4 - 60% " " "
Setting 5 - 80% " " "
Setting 6 - 100% " " "

So if you had your vehicle dyno'd at level 1 and level 6 and it says you have an increase of 100HP between the two settings. Then you would have a 20HP increase at level2, 40HP increase at level 3, etc..

Originally Posted by Craig1963

To Bank Power - Not to criticize a product I do not own, but the reason I was watching this thread was for the purchase of this 6 gun tuner. Price is not an option in my case. But, as a non-mechanic or someone that does not like to tinker with things, I would have thought that this would be a plug and play. What I am saying is most drivers are not going to remember that when they go from one level to the next that they have to perform steps 1 thru 35 (exaggerating). Suggest that you build into the module a program that reminds the driver to perform those steps.

Or better yet, store the settings in the device and reapply when the selector is switched.

Originally Posted by Craig1963

In my case I solely want this for fuel economy, however, if I am going to get it I want it with all the bells and whistles and latest devices, controllers, modules and anything else you can throw on it.

As things become available, they will be plug and play with the six-gun tuner. The PDA, VUI and Banks Braking can all be added later as they become available.

Originally Posted by Craig1963

The other question I have is to the general population on here. Why do people install tuners. programs etc on their vehicle if they know it will void the warranty. I read in my owners manual that besides the ECM on these trucks there is also an event recorder seperate from the ECM. This event recorder, records anytime anything is changed on the settings from the factory. There is another port to access this, but the owners manual did not say where, ony stating that "your authorized Ford Mechanic can access this to determine mechanical and other technical data from the computer"

thanks

The most common reason for tuners is so that the engine performs at it's optimum level. The engines are built to run a certain way and the programming tells it how to run in order to pass emissions or when under load or what have you, in some cases, detrimentally. What I mean by that is, if you took a race car that's been tuned and programmed to run at peak performance, then adjusted the programming so that it could pass emissions for whatever state it's in. It would run like absolute crap.

Regarding the warranty, they/we are taking a chance by adding tuners/programmers to our vehicles. An even bigger chance if we modify any emission related equipment.

[bankspower]

Originally Posted by Caribe_Pick_up

Bankspower, I read the Section 4 (Automatic Transmission Learning) on the Six-Gun Owner’s Manual. Due to the operational characteristics of the TorqShift transmission, the Six-Gun can’t go up from lower levels without performs part of the following procedure per level increase.

1. Start the truck and allow the engine to reach normal operating temperature.
2. Set the Banks Power PDA or Six-Gun switch to power level 2.
3. Accelerate with the pedal to the floor, from a standing start to 60 mph. Repeat three (3) times.
4. Cruise at 30 mph, then press the accelerator to the floor to cause the transmission to downshift. Continue accelerating to 60 mph.
5. Repeat steps (2) and (3) for the next power setting.
6. Continue to increase the power setting and drive cycle until the desired power setting is achieved

That is not exactly an On-The-Fly change of power levels. I will have to think it twice before to increase the power level when needed. What if somebody accidentally turns the knob? The instructions states that “Failure to follow the sequence can result in damage to the transmission”. Could you please comment on this subject?

Originally Posted by smotrs

You perform this once after installing the Banks tuner. Once you perform this once in each setting, it's learned and no longer needs to be performed. At which time switching is on-the-fly.

Smotrs has it right. It has to be done on inital installation otherwise it will throw a 4,2 code (trans slip) when it's first installed. After that it can be changed on the fly. As an example, Smotrs yours would have gone into default when you changed your power setting lower and then higher. But as you saw it didn't.

Originally Posted by wheezy

I want one!

PM sent

Originally Posted by duke63

i am installing a banks power ram intake on my 2008 f250 and was wondering if there are any helpful tips. i am a novice at this but excited to install it

Originally Posted by The-Duke

As a side note - while the manual does a great job of showing how to install the selector knob it sure isn't "to subtle" for those worried about warranty issues with the dealer.

That's the recommended position but it can be installed just about anywhere. If you want to lengthen the wires and install it somewhere else, go for it

[smotrs]

Originally Posted by bankspower

Smotrs has it right. It has to be done on inital installation otherwise it will throw a 4,2 code (trans slip) when it's first installed. After that it can be changed on the fly. As an example, Smotrs yours would have gone into default when you changed your power setting lower and then higher. But as you saw it didn't.

I thought that would be the case, but after reading the PDF you posted the other day. Is does kind of read as Caribe pointed out.

By the way, sent you a PM the other day.

[W5DVC]

Originally Posted by W5DVC

Well .......THANK YOU anyway. If what ALBERT told me is true , I'll be taking mine off the UPS TRUCK next Tuesday afternoon . I just wanted to see what the tuner looked like after insallation . By the time you get around to it ....... I'll have it . It's not like you couldn't possibly have anticipated that someone ( like a customer ) might want to see some photos of it .

Well , it's time for an update . According to Albert at GALE BANKS ENGINEERING , I was supposed to have recieved my tuner on Tuesday of this week , it is now Thursday evening , approximately 6PM here in BEAUMONT , TEXAS and I have not recieved even a notice of attempted delivery . I know for a fact that they have my CASHIER'S CHECK . WELL , where is my tuner ????????????????

[smotrs]

Originally Posted by W5DVC

Well , it's time for an update . According to Albert at GALE BANKS ENGINEERING , I was supposed to have recieved my tuner on Tuesday of this week , it is now Thursday evening , approximately 6PM here in BEAUMONT , TEXAS and I have not recieved even a notice of attempted delivery . I know for a fact that they have my CASHIER'S CHECK . WELL , where is my tuner ????????????????

Well, it's only 4pm here, call them up.

[bankspower]

Originally Posted by smotrs

Well, it's only 4pm here, call them up.

I'm wondering why somebody would post a complaint about not reciving a package in here before calling us, or at least sending a PM, in the first place.

[bankspower]

Originally Posted by smotrs

I thought that would be the case, but after reading the PDF you posted the other day. Is does kind of read as Caribe pointed out.

By the way, sent you a PM the other day.

PM sent

[bankspower]

Originally Posted by W5DVC

Well , it's time for an update . According to Albert at GALE BANKS ENGINEERING , I was supposed to have recieved my tuner on Tuesday of this week , it is now Thursday evening , approximately 6PM here in BEAUMONT , TEXAS and I have not recieved even a notice of attempted delivery . I know for a fact that they have my CASHIER'S CHECK . WELL , where is my tuner ????????????????

UPS says your tuner is set for delivery on Monday the 6th. I just PM'd your tracking number to you.

[mtmike]

Just got off the phone with John from Banks and he told me that you could use the 6 gun on a manual transmission. He said that the only difference is that the wire that detects transmission slippage will not be connected. I think that I will wait a little while to buy one still, but with diesel going back up it is pretty tempting!