Dirty Tuners?

[RRose]

Banks latest advertisements for their 6.4L tuner is that they are the cleanest tuner available for the 6.4L. So..... if the other tuners are referred to as "dirty tuners"..... what exactly does that mean to us? Does that just mean that other tuners will clog up the DPF quicker.... thus causing the regeneration to occur more often? Banks is advertiseing it like "dirty tuners" will ruin your DPF filter.

Anyone have any insight to this?

[Kingf-350]

to me it sounds like they are taking the claim to fame as being the only ones to have a tuner that doesent destroy the Ecm !

[4STAR]

[quote=Kingf-350;1610383]to me it sounds like they are taking the claim to fame as being the only ones to have a tuner that doesent destroy the Ecm ![/quote
Not the ECM,the DPF!

[mattebury]

If you look at Banks' claim, they say that other tuners put out more soot that gets trapped in the DPF which causes more regens which shortens the life of the DPF since it can go through so many regen cycles before it needs replacement. They claim that their product actually puts out less soot, so the DPF will go through fewer regens, prolonging the life of the DPF.

If this is true, then you get the best of both worlds, more power and less soot.

I would tend to believe this claim since Banks has a pretty darn quick drag truck that hardly puts out any smoke (it was one of the design parameters). I think that it was profiled in an older issue of Diesel Power Magazine.

[Stymie]

Originally Posted by mattebury

If you look at Banks' claim, they say that other tuners put out more soot that gets trapped in the DPF which causes more regens which shortens the life of the DPF since it can go through so many regen cycles before it needs replacement. They claim that their product actually puts out less soot, so the DPF will go through fewer regens, prolonging the life of the DPF.

If this is true, then you get the best of both worlds, more power and less soot.

I would tend to believe this claim since Banks has a pretty darn quick drag truck that hardly puts out any smoke (it was one of the design parameters). I think that it was profiled in an older issue of Diesel Power Magazine.

why dont you go look under the hood and see how much NO2 that truck is eating per run....

[powerdome]

x2, they wouldnt pop the hood after the runs. Its on the bottle thats why no smoke, has nothing to do with their so called superb design, Banks is terrible all around everything they sell is just for the namebrand.

Its no better or no worse than any other tuner on the market, u can claim all day whatever you want, as long as no one 2nd guess's you or thinks its the honest to god truth

Its kinda like those toyota commercials, sure maybe it could stop a huge container from going down a canyon wall because of their superb brakes, but do u wanna try it? i dont think so

[MDarrough]

If I was going to risk loosing the factory warranty with a tuner, I sure wouldn't be worried about the DPF...if you know what I mean.

Mark

[tfunk88]

I will say that the amount of soot put out by trucks with all these tuners (possibly banks included) is ridiculous. When I see someone get on the fuel and a huge cloud of black smoke pours out I cringe as this is going to come back to haunt the rest of us soon. Look at the pics in Diesel Power and the rest of the mags at competitions/dyno runs, they brag about filling the whole area with smoke, but it is ridiculous and will eventually cause a crackdown on the aftermarket as a whole. It is a different ballgame now in terms of the social climate.

[amunderdog]

Was watching a show the other day; they went to see what makes banks different.
Money was the answer.
They have a dyno that even monitors the oil pumps performance.
They showed there test truck. It was a crew cab with a drivers seat and a technician seat at passenger side rear. The rest of the cab was scientific monitoring equipment.
To your question. He showed on piece of the equipment that was better than 100.000 that did nothing but monitor particulate levels.

So they test it in the shop/lab then they install it on that test mule and take it out to the real world at test it somemore.

Big Money..................................

[hotlicks2go]

Originally Posted by RRose

Banks latest advertisements for their 6.4L tuner is that they are the cleanest tuner available for the 6.4L. So..... if the other tuners are referred to as "dirty tuners"..... what exactly does that mean to us? Does that just mean that other tuners will clog up the DPF quicker.... thus causing the regeneration to occur more often? Banks is advertiseing it like "dirty tuners" will ruin your DPF filter.

Anyone have any insight to this?

If Banks tuner is Less dirty, it's becuase there is Less Tuning! Quality tuning can't be accomplished without releiving the restrictions. (dpf delete)

[timid1]

Originally Posted by MDarrough

If I was going to risk loosing the factory warranty with a tuner, I sure wouldn't be worried about the DPF...if you know what I mean.

No one knows the effects of these products on the DPF. No one has done any accelerated lifecycle tests to determine what conditions would cause a premature failure of the DPF, and certainly no one has done the studies to determine what effects the DPF would have on the rest of the truck. It's a warranty-voiding action for a reason. $50k truck. I think I'll keep my warranty thank you very much.

[thecougar]

Originally Posted by timid1

No one has done any accelerated lifecycle tests to determine what conditions would cause a premature failure of the DPF

Banks has done accelerated lifecycle tests and even posted pictures of the full / broken DPFs on another 6.4 forum. (Not sure if it's against the rules to post a link.)

But I am with you timid1, I am not willing to risk the warranty.

[mrelmtow]

Originally Posted by thecougar

Banks has done accelerated lifecycle tests and even posted pictures of the full / broken DPFs on another 6.4 forum. (Not sure if it's against the rules to post a link.)

But I am with you timid1, I am not willing to risk the warranty.

Accelerated life cycles are not the same as real world life cycles.

[Gerry40]

The "dirty tuner" comment also refers to the other company's that suggest you remove the DPF.

As for warranty issue.... If you want to keep it that's your choice but remember, pretty much anything you do to the truck after you buy it "could" void your warranty so be careful .

[BAD 08 SD]

I have ran the sct livewire with the extreme tune on my truck with my dpf and havent had any problems so far i have put bout 30,000 miles on the truck with the tuner on and havent had to replace my dpf. I even unbolted it from the cat to take a peak and it diddnt look damaged or too filled with soot like the claim banks makes. I think they are just saying it to promote there product to the unknowing consumer