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Old 07-12-2008, 02:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was just wondering if anybody knows if there is an aftermarket, better flow DPF for the 6.4L. So that we may suffice the needs of the EPA--keeping this a ULEV but also increase mileage. Unfortunately, the EPA may start going after those who made DPF-delete mods, but I'm sure that a "similar" DPF wouldn't be illegal.

It is a double edge sword as far as I see. It decreases emissions but also makes it not as efficient on a gallon of diesel.
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There are others out there. However they are not cheap by any means, there would be no cost savings. If you want more flow you need to increase surface area in the DPF thus needing more fuel to clean a larger DPF
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When was the date that the stupid law went into effect that says trucks have to have a DPF ?
Was it 07 model year or was it Jan 07 or what?
Cause I'm thinking, although mine is an 08 model it was built in May 07, and maybe theres a way around this thing.
Does anybody know?
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Rumor is that trucks don't have to them until 2010 and we are all just Guinea pigs


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I think this is the most common misconception about the new emission laws. The EPA sets the limits of what comes out of the exhaust pipes. They don't care how the manufacturers get there. The manufacturers are the ones who say that DPF's are the best way to meet the tailpipe emissions set by the EPA.
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When was the date that the stupid law went into effect that says trucks have to have a DPF ?
Was it 07 model year or was it Jan 07 or what?
Cause I'm thinking, although mine is an 08 model it was built in May 07, and maybe theres a way around this thing.
Does anybody know?
There's no way around it without breaking the law. Whatever is emissions related on your truck is legally required. If it was on your truck, you can't remove it without breaking at least one law.

If you're operating your truck off-road full time, then that's another story. I don't know what state you live in, but if it's anything like California, the State referee is a major pain in the rear. Best to leave things alone if the truck's all you got. :-)
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Rumor is that trucks don't have to them until 2010 and we are all just Guinea pigs
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Rumor is that trucks don't have to them until 2010 and we are all just Guinea pigs
Sorry to say that Rumor is not exactly correct. It is true that the DPF is not mandated by law. The big 3 choose to meet 2008 emissions standards by using a DPF, there are other solutions out there. But because the big 3 choose to use DPFs they are now emissions equipment and cannot be legally tampered with.

In 2010 the emissions standards get even tougher. If I remember correctly Dodge is the only one claiming to meet the 2010 rules already. So that means both Ford and Chevy will have to do something more to meet 2010 rules.

While we may all be Guinea pigs our pickups need them to meet emissions standards.
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If ford glued a penny to the dash board and called it "emissions equipment" it would be illegal to remove. It does no good to discuss if the DPF is needed or not, as "emissions equipment" it is illegal to remove on any vehicle that is not strictly offroad.
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Has anyone seriously been pulled over and checked to see if its there or not? I mean California yes is stricter than any but that makes me arise another question. Why don't the people fight the EPA on the emissions law? I mean how do we know the EPA and the big 3 aren't doing this to make more money. The more emissions the more expensive it is to buy or even run a truck. Has anyone thought about those dpf's as a marketing ploy to make more money in the factories? How do we know they even work and just aren't there for show? I've seen charts and the whole bit but has anyone really investigated how much they help? It really makes me mad and sad that the diesel world is going downhill. They aren't as much fun as they once were and that really is depressing.
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Has anyone seriously been pulled over and checked to see if its there or not? I mean California yes is stricter than any but that makes me arise another question. Why don't the people fight the EPA on the emissions law? I mean how do we know the EPA and the big 3 aren't doing this to make more money. The more emissions the more expensive it is to buy or even run a truck. Has anyone thought about those dpf's as a marketing ploy to make more money in the factories? How do we know they even work and just aren't there for show? I've seen charts and the whole bit but has anyone really investigated how much they help? It really makes me mad and sad that the diesel world is going downhill. They aren't as much fun as they once were and that really is depressing.
I hardly think the automotive companies would be behind something that has caused them to lose sales for part of a year, while they gear up for the new standards.

When the price of new vehicles goes up, people keep thier older vehicles longer. Therefore automakers try to keep prices down.

One exception is increasing the price to include newer options, that may motivate people to get the latest car. DPF's hardly fit that bill. If they wanted to inflate the price on trucks to get more money, why not make GPS or Premium sound a standard option?

The automotive companies have lobbiests in Washington trying to sway legislation in thier favor, just like any other large industry. And thier main interest is keeping new car prices down.
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Has anyone seriously been pulled over and checked to see if its there or not? I mean California yes is stricter than any but that makes me arise another question. Why don't the people fight the EPA on the emissions law? I mean how do we know the EPA and the big 3 aren't doing this to make more money. The more emissions the more expensive it is to buy or even run a truck. Has anyone thought about those dpf's as a marketing ploy to make more money in the factories? How do we know they even work and just aren't there for show? I've seen charts and the whole bit but has anyone really investigated how much they help? It really makes me mad and sad that the diesel world is going downhill. They aren't as much fun as they once were and that really is depressing.

On another forum, there were post about a visual check point on HWY 281 in texas.
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On another forum, there were post about a visual check point on HWY 281 in texas.

California doesn't have emissions tests (yet) for diesel powered vehicles at all. The law was changed, recently, to include doesel vehicles whose gross vehicle weight is under 8501 pounds. We're all well over this limit. Here's the deal, though.... at least in California, it's not the job of the cop to actually KNOW if your truck has been modified illegally. If he has a suspicion, you get a ticket. You take that ticket to the state referee which then does an inspection of your vehicle. And you can't just pay the ticket. The ticket only goes away when the referee says your vehicle is compliant.

How do I know? Experience. I was ticketed for an exhaust NOISE violation in my gasser. Cop didn't understand the law and wrote me up anyway. Went to the referee only to find out that he couldn't test my vehicle because of gross vehicle weight. Took that info back to the citing agency (my city police department), and talked my way out of the ticket. Although noise IS different, the way the violation was cited wouldn't be any different.

This doesn't change the fact that modifying that particular component IS ILLEGAL, though.
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On another forum, there were post about a visual check point on HWY 281 in texas.
Do you have a link to this? You can PM it to me if it's against the rules to post it. Thanks
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Do you have a link to this? You can PM it to me if it's against the rules to post it. Thanks
Can you PM it to me also as I drive through there occasionally.
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