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There is NO comparison in retarding HP between the 6.7 Dodge and the 6.4 Ford. Go test drive a Dodge if you doubt that claim. Neither Ford nor GM utilize the exhaust brake level retarding forces.
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There is NO comparison in retarding HP between the 6.7 Dodge and the 6.4 Ford. Go test drive a Dodge if you doubt that claim. Neither Ford nor GM utilize the exhaust brake level retarding forces.
That's right they don't, but we do We're working on a version of the Speed Brake for the 6.4L trucks now. And it's very close to release. It's fully compatible with the six gun tuner or it can be used on it's own. It's function will be EXACTLY like the system we have out now for the Chevy. I'll post a write up on it here in a second

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Speed Brake write up

Now while this write up is on a (gasp) Chevy, the installation, performance, and it's use will be exactly the same on the 6.4L. This article is also in Septembers issue of Diesel World magazine. Enjoy
QUICK STOPPING – QUICKER INSTALL | Diesel World - September 2009

By Chris Neprasch

Diesel technology has continued to evolve. Gone are the days of mechanical injection, and now a computer controls the cycles of high-pressure injectors down to the millisecond. Horsepower, torque and mileage numbers are up, while emissions emitted from the tailpipe and engine noise are down. It's a brave new world from the days of IDI. With the engine improvements comes a new breed of aftermarket parts designed to take full advantage of the latest diesel powerplants.

Take, for example, exhaust brakes, which were designed to save brakes and make towing safer and easier. In the past, the installation included cutting and welding a flap apparatus into place. Getting all the plumbing and hardware set up was a solid day job for a professional, and could take the better portion of a weekend for the novice. If you own a 2004.5-to- 2009 Duramax pickup, though, you could get all of the benefits of an exhaust brake and then some without having to break out the welder. Actually, all you really need are basic hand tools.

The new SpeedBrake from Gale Banks Engineering is the latest in all-electronic exhaust brakes, with plug-and-play connections for a clean and simple installation, and no cutting or tapping required. It's a feature-packed brake different from other exhaust brakes on the market. Not only does it increase the stopping power and extend the service life of brakes, its adjustable, maintenance-free and also capable of reading and cleaning the computer of codes.

Utilizing the factory VGT turbocharger on the Duramax, the SpeedBrake captures control of the varying vane position. Instead of closing a flap like traditional exhaust brakes, the SpeedBrake closes the vanes on the turbocharger to create backpressure. The SpeedBrake also takes charge of torque converter lockup and transmission gear selection to aid in the deceleration process. Meanwhile, the PowerPDA gives the driver feedback on important engine parameters and user-set on-screen alerts.

We followed the install of the SpeedBrake into an ‘08 Chevy 25OOHD back at the Banks headquarters in Azusa, Calif. In less than 90 minutes, the truck was on the road with the SpeedBrake up and running. It was a painless process that produced some serious results when the truck was loaded with more than 10,000 pounds-worth of trailer and taken for a test-drive, all with barely getting the installer's hands dirty.

While we have the scientific results in the sidebar (see below), we carried our own impressions of the SpeedBrake separate from strictly numbers. The thing that impressed us most about the SpeedBrake was the Speed Control feature. Think of speed control as cruise control of sorts, but instead of controlling acceleration, it controls deceleration.

Coming down Southern California's Cajon Pass fully loaded and with the Speed Control set at 55, the SpeedBrake took advantage of the VGT turbo, closing the vanes at just the right amount needed to maintain the preset speed. It was as quiet as it was smooth, while the speedometer didn't deviate from our desired cruising speed. Its smoothness is what really impressed us. Even on steep sections of the pass, the transmission didn't have to downshift once the initial set speed was obtained.

The other shining point was the adjustability of the SpeedBrake from the PowerPDA. With the touch of a screen, the aggressiveness of the braking could be changed to low, medium or high. The high mode is slam-you-forward hard, as the transmission downshifts in a hurry to bring you to a quick halt. Under fairly light loads, it was almost too much. But throw some serious weight behind the truck, and the aggressiveness was welcomed when it came time to bringing the truck to a stop.

Along with the level settings, the other thing that stands out was the adjustability on how the SpeedBrake was activated. You have the option to allow the SpeedBrake to control itself and act like a traditional exhaust brake where it engages on deceleration, or you could activate it through the brake pedal.

The SpeedBrake is electronic and basically knows everything going on in the factory computer relevant to its operation. When you activate it through the brake pedal, you can push the pedal slightly and the SpeedBrake does its thing, creating backpressure and downshifting while enabling the truck to stop. We liked it enough that when the truck is empty, the SpeedBrake is set to activate via the pedal on medium strength, saving some wear on the brake pads in the process.

Overall, we think Banks Engineering has hit a homerun with the SpeedBrake. It's a snap to install, is extremely effective and the adjustability allows the driver to tailor it to his or her preference. If you're in the market for an exhaust brake for your 2004.5-to-2009 Chevrolet or GMC, it's definitely worth consideration.



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Testing the Banks Speedbrake

We hooked up a weighted trailer to the LMM-powered 2500HD, and brought the gross combined weight (GWC) to about 18,500 pounds. With trailer in tow, we headed to a desolate strip of road off California Hwy. 138 where we found a 1-mile strip with a 6.16-percent grade.

As the vehicle crested the top of the hill, speed was maintained at 55 mph, with drive as the selected gear. As needed to maintain a constant speed, the driver lifted off the accelerator pedal, which determines the beginning of the test. All tests were conducted with the Tow/Haul mode active. The foot brake was purposely not applied during descent, except to prevent unsafe speeds and runaway conditions. Speed was noted at the end of the run using a GPS-based data acquisition system.

When the vehicle is in drive with the Tow/Haul mode active, the approach conditions to the test hill resulted in a fifth-gear selection. In stock condition, as the vehicle descended the hill, it immediately began to accelerate. With no application of the footbrake, the factory electronics allow for an upshift to sixth gear at 63 mph. This occurred 1,150 feet into the run. After traveling 2,400 feet, vehicle speed exceeded 70 mph.

To maintain safety, the driver applied the foot brake and slowed the vehicle to 68 mph. At this point, the Tow/Haul mode strategy took over and shifted the transmission to fourth gear. Vehicle speed still increased and reached 69 mph by 3,400 feet. The foot brake was again applied and vehicle speed slowed to 65 mph. At this point, the Tow/Haul strategy allowed for a downshift to third gear. This allowed for vehicle speed to be maintained at about 65 mph for the duration of the run.

1,000-foot speed = 62 mph
¼-mile speed = 64.3 mph
½-mile speed = 69.9 mph (foot brakes applied)
¾-mile speed = 65.5 mph (foot brakes applied)
Final speed = 64.6 mph

The first test of the Speedbrake was performed in the speed control mode with a set target speed of 50 mph. As with the previous runs, the vehicle started the descent in fifth gear. But, as soon as the driver lifted his foot from the accelerator, the SpeedBrake began braking activity by closing the turbine vanes and downshifting the transmission to third gear. After travelling 1,400 feet, the vehicle had been slowed to its target speed of 50 mph. Once the target speed was achieved, the Speedbrake varies the position of the turbine vanes such that such speed was maintained at 50 mph for the duration of the run.

1,000-foot speed = 53.6 mph
¼-mile speed = 51.1 mph
½-mile speed = 51.2 mph
¾-mile speed = 50.9 mph
Final speed = 50.7 mph

The next test of the SpeedBrake was performed in the Brake ON mode with the strength setting on high. This evaluates the SpeedBrake’s maximum braking capability. As in all the previous runs, the test began with the vehicle in fifth gear. Like the previous run while in speed control mode, the transmission was shifted into third and the truck quickly decelerated. But the since the ON mode dose not have a target speed, the vehicle continued to decelerate and shifted clear down to first gear. After traveling 4.175 feet, the vehicle was slowed to 15 mph for a speed reduction of 40 mph.

1,000-foot speed = 53.6 mph
¼-mile speed = 51.1 mph
½-mile speed = 35.3 mph
¾-mile speed = 21.6 mph
Final speed = 15.0 mph
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Extremely interested !

I have had an exhaust brake installed on a '96 PSD for almost 12 years, best feature I could have ever installed. Although I am pleased with the Torqueshift tranny in Tow/Haul assisting in braking with a heavy load; I too have been seeking an exhaust brake for the 6.4s and have been since I learned that the Dodge with Cummins diesels have them from the factory. One question I do have for the Bank's people is this: What impact if any will the installation of the Banks exhaust brake for the 6.4 have on the standard engine/drivetrain warranty and/or extended warranty?


I am very pleased that this undertaking is nearing release.
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I have had an exhaust brake installed on a '96 PSD for almost 12 years, best feature I could have ever installed. Although I am pleased with the Torqueshift tranny in Tow/Haul assisting in braking with a heavy load; I too have been seeking an exhaust brake for the 6.4s and have been since I learned that the Dodge with Cummins diesels have them from the factory. One question I do have for the Bank's people is this: What impact if any will the installation of the Banks exhaust brake for the 6.4 have on the standard engine/drivetrain warranty and/or extended warranty?


I am very pleased that this undertaking is nearing release.
The new braking system does NOTHING differently than what your truck is already capable of. Your turbine blades already open and close, you can manually shift your transmission up or down at will, and your torque converter (obviously) will lock and unlock when commanded. We're simply making all of these functions work together to slow the truck down. So, the short version, it will do NOTHING to your warranty at all. Unless of course you have a dealer who's looking for an excuse to get money out of your wallet. If you do, just unplug the brake before you go in. You can see the install on the Chevy version here: http://assets.bankspower.com/manuals/470/97229.pdf

On the Ford it's a grand total of 4 plugs to install it (no welding, no wire splicing). If you already have the six gun/pda system you can use the same PDA for both.
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The new braking system does NOTHING differently than what your truck is already capable of. Your turbine blades already open and close, you can manually shift your transmission up or down at will, and your torque converter (obviously) will lock and unlock when commanded. We're simply making all of these functions work together to slow the truck down. So, the short version, it will do NOTHING to your warranty at all. Unless of course you have a dealer who's looking for an excuse to get money out of your wallet. If you do, just unplug the brake before you go in. You can see the install on the Chevy version here: http://assets.bankspower.com/manuals/470/97229.pdf

On the Ford it's a grand total of 4 plugs to install it (no welding, no wire splicing). If you already have the six gun/pda system you can use the same PDA for both.
You can also "take control" of the fuel injectors and melt all 8 pistons. I'm pretty sure the warranty won't cover that.
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You can also "take control" of the fuel injectors and melt all 8 pistons. I'm pretty sure the warranty won't cover that.
And what would that have to do with the exhaust brake?
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That's super!!

Thanks for the reply and explanation concerning warranty............ keep us informed as soon as those babies are ready for sale and available for us!!
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And what would that have to do with the exhaust brake?
Those 8 pistons wouldn't be covered by warranty. I was just using it as an example. It shows you CAN mess with various actuators and controllers on the engine and cause harm. Any damage as a result would not be covered by warranty.

Use any aftermarket products at your own risk.
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Those 8 pistons wouldn't be covered by warranty. I was just using it as an example. It shows you CAN mess with various actuators and controllers on the engine and cause harm. Any damage as a result would not be covered by warranty.

Use any aftermarket products at your own risk.
The brake wouldn't effect any of the fueling systems on the truck at all. So how could this system possibly damage the pistons?
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What about blowing up the egr or turbo. Maybe even cooking the converter?
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What about blowing up the egr or turbo. Maybe even cooking the converter?
I'll take these one at a time:

EGR: The EGR valve is only active when throttle is being applied. As the system will activate only when throttle is not being applied the EGR will remain closed. We're not generating enough back pressure to push it off it's seat or float the valves so there's no chance of damage here.

Turbo: When the brake activates it, initally, closes the vanes down to a start position. After that is varies the vane position depending on the amount of braking force needed to set and hold the down hill speed you told it to (you can set it anywhere between 25mph-75mph). While closing the vane position down does speed the turbo up it will get nowhere near it's maximum speed. Basicly it will be turning faster then it would at a dead idle but much slower then it would under hard acceleration. This actually helps the truck out in a few ways. For starters the boost pressure will come UP when the brake is turned on but no throttle is being applied. This will cause your EGT's to drop like a rock. Second, because the turbo is already spinning faster then at idle, when you get back on the gas again boost is already present. This makes the truck much more responsive. (and it comes in really handy if you need to jump on the gas while towing a trailer)

Torque converter: When the brake activates it will lock the torque converter and it will stay locked until the brake either shuts off or reaches it's target speed (it will coast at this point but will re-activate if the truck goes faster than the target speed). We're generating about 200hp worth of braking force which is far less than what the trans or torque converter will tollerate. Just to be safe however, the system will also monitor transmission slip and transmission temp. If either the temp or the slip rate exceed the factory limit the brake will shut off.

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Unless i missunderstood my manual when i read it, our 6.4 does already have assisted braking during the tow/haul mode. When in tow haul mode, when you brake the computer takes over and it controls your shifting and it modifys the exhaust valve timing to ensure your vehicle does not exceed a certain speed. I will have to look again and see if i can find it.

I know that if i am in tow haul mode...my truck will slow down on its own going down a grade when i let off the gas and tap the brake and it slows down a lot faster on level ground when i let off the gas and tap the brake as well.
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Unless i missunderstood my manual when i read it, our 6.4 does already have assisted braking during the tow/haul mode. When in tow haul mode, when you brake the computer takes over and it controls your shifting and it modifys the exhaust valve timing to ensure your vehicle does not exceed a certain speed. I will have to look again and see if i can find it.

I know that if i am in tow haul mode...my truck will slow down on its own going down a grade when i let off the gas and tap the brake and it slows down a lot faster on level ground when i let off the gas and tap the brake as well.
The factory tow/haul setting works almost exactly the same way it does on the chevy. Blade position is brought down to a set point but it generates very little back pressure on the engine. In fact our testing on the stock setup was a mirrior image of the chevy run posted above.

On Edit: There's also a big warning on the Banks Speed Brake brake to NOT use it on the high strength setting with little or no load. It will nearly lock the tires up.

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The brake wouldn't effect any of the fueling systems on the truck at all. So how could this system possibly damage the pistons?
It wouldn't. But it would/could affect the turbo, EGR valve, exhaust valves, exhaust gaskets, and DPF regeneration.

Maybe you have taken all of the precautions to prevent damage to these components, but competitors on the market might not. Therefore, don't expect your warranty to be valid while using any aftermarket parts.

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