6.4L Upgrades and Aftermarket - EngineUpgrading or adding OEM or aftermarket equipment to your 2008-Up Super Duty truck with 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
The part of snake oil sales that some of you guys are missing is the part where the salesperson makes you believe it is actually doing something that it really isn't. Mine came in the mail...there was no salesman in the box.
So I'll have to say that I am with the guy that said it made a slight difference, but it is arguable whether it is worth the money. I am no chemist, but I noticed a slight difference in fuel economy (maybe 20 to 25 miles to a tank) and the truck seems to come off idle a little better.
If I actually believed that if it was better Ford would have put it on the truck to begin with; well I guess I may be too smart for the old Snake Oil Sales...but I probably wouldn't be smart enough to stay out of those used car lots.
Think about it: The vehicle gets its energy from the fuel through a chemical reaction with air. In order to improve fuel mileage, you need to get more energy out of the same amount of fuel. This little can can't pack more energy into the same amount of fuel.
The website states that it "re-refines" the fuel. Fuel refining is a very complex task, requires the INPUT of energy and has by-products. Link: Oil refinery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. If this product really re-refines the fuel, where does it get its energy from? Where do the by-products go?
I tried to get Wikipedia to tell me why I am getting another mile to mile and a half per gallon better mileage now that I bolted this thing on but it didn't give me an answer...I'll keep trying.
I'm in Canada so I'll have to talk km's, but the actual results after installing the 400hp+ model on the 6.4l PSD are I went from around 550 to 560 km to a tank of fuel to just around 590 to 600 km to a tank of fuel. That was the only thing I changed...I didn't wash it, put more air in the tires, close the tailgate, drive with windows closed, take a different route home, nothing.
Going from 13 US mpg to 14 1/2 US mpg as a percentage I think even Wikipedia would be impressed by.
I tried to get Wikipedia to tell me why I am getting another mile to mile and a half per gallon better mileage now that I bolted this thing on but it didn't give me an answer...I'll keep trying.
I'm in Canada so I'll have to talk km's, but the actual results after installing the 400hp+ model on the 6.4l PSD are I went from around 550 to 560 km to a tank of fuel to just around 590 to 600 km to a tank of fuel. That was the only thing I changed...I didn't wash it, put more air in the tires, close the tailgate, drive with windows closed, take a different route home, nothing.
Going from 13 US mpg to 14 1/2 US mpg as a percentage I think even Wikipedia would be impressed by.
Wikipedia isn't an authoritative resource for anything. I'd have to ask if you keep a fuel log and for how many miles have you been getting 13 MPG, and how many have you been getting 14.5+. I bought my truck brand new and intially got 11-12 MPG. 6700 miles later, I'm getting 15+ MPG without modifications.
Over time, your mileage WILL improve on this truck. You don't need to do anything to it to get your improvements. Any modifications while it's young may not be an immediate result of your improvements. Even if it did, unless you keep a fuel log, it's impossible to know for sure.
You spent $300+ for this modification. It's logical to assume that you'd DESIRE to see an improvement and are being delusional (sorry, that's what it is) in saying that it helps. You're now the 2nd guy to say it's helped, but from the looks of it, everyone else say its snake oil.
I'll keep my money and insist that everyone I talk with think about the purchase logically. :-)
By the time fuel makes it to our cars it has aged and on average only about 80% of the fuel we put in our vehicles actually gets burned in the combustion cycle of our engines the unburned fuel along with other garbage is dumped out the tailpipe. What I have learned is that with Fitch the fuel gains a few octane during treatment and run-in time increases the efficiency of the burn to about 98%. When we are burning all of the fuel that is put into the combustion chamber we gain more power and dump less garbage out the tailpipe. How Fitch does this I do not know but it does. The key that the local retailer told me was to allow proper run in time usually about 10 miles per 1000 on the odometer. My Mercedes Benz showed gains quickly about 100 miles, my explorer took a bit longer about 700 miles. When I took my colleague's Pontiac on a 2800 mile trip, he told me to expect 22 mpg, I put Fitch in the tank as a courtesy and averaged 28 mpg on the trip. As for Fitch being put on at the factory...from what I understand Mercedes Benz is now making Fitch standard equipment starting with the 2007 model year.
I tried to get Wikipedia to tell me why I am getting another mile to mile and a half per gallon better mileage now that I bolted this thing on but it didn't give me an answer...I'll keep trying.
I'm in Canada so I'll have to talk km's, but the actual results after installing the 400hp+ model on the 6.4l PSD are I went from around 550 to 560 km to a tank of fuel to just around 590 to 600 km to a tank of fuel. That was the only thing I changed...I didn't wash it, put more air in the tires, close the tailgate, drive with windows closed, take a different route home, nothing.
Going from 13 US mpg to 14 1/2 US mpg as a percentage I think even Wikipedia would be impressed by.
Try taking it back off and see what happens. We would need to see detailed (miles traveled, fuel consumed, payload, outside weather conditions, etc.), and numerous fuel logs to prove it.
By the time fuel makes it to our cars it has aged and on average only about 80% of the fuel we put in our vehicles actually gets burned in the combustion cycle of our engines the unburned fuel along with other garbage is dumped out the tailpipe. What I have learned is that with Fitch the fuel gains a few octane during treatment and run-in time increases the efficiency of the burn to about 98%. When we are burning all of the fuel that is put into the combustion chamber we gain more power and dump less garbage out the tailpipe. How Fitch does this I do not know but it does. The key that the local retailer told me was to allow proper run in time usually about 10 miles per 1000 on the odometer. My Mercedes Benz showed gains quickly about 100 miles, my explorer took a bit longer about 700 miles. When I took my colleague's Pontiac on a 2800 mile trip, he told me to expect 22 mpg, I put Fitch in the tank as a courtesy and averaged 28 mpg on the trip. As for Fitch being put on at the factory...from what I understand Mercedes Benz is now making Fitch standard equipment starting with the 2007 model year.
By the time fuel makes it to our cars it has aged and on average only about 80% of the fuel we put in our vehicles actually gets burned in the combustion cycle of our engines the unburned fuel along with other garbage is dumped out the tailpipe. What I have learned is that with Fitch the fuel gains a few octane during treatment and run-in time increases the efficiency of the burn to about 98%. When we are burning all of the fuel that is put into the combustion chamber we gain more power and dump less garbage out the tailpipe. How Fitch does this I do not know but it does. The key that the local retailer told me was to allow proper run in time usually about 10 miles per 1000 on the odometer. My Mercedes Benz showed gains quickly about 100 miles, my explorer took a bit longer about 700 miles. When I took my colleague's Pontiac on a 2800 mile trip, he told me to expect 22 mpg, I put Fitch in the tank as a courtesy and averaged 28 mpg on the trip. As for Fitch being put on at the factory...from what I understand Mercedes Benz is now making Fitch standard equipment starting with the 2007 model year.
Darryl - That may be true for GASOLINE (where octane comes into play to prevent pre-ignition), but it has nothing to do with diesel, where cetane is the molecule required to to help start ignition in diesel.
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This coming weekend I am putting a cold-air intake on it so fuel logging wouldn't really be fair.
My last tank I got 648 kms...new record!!! (95 litres of fuel) The best I ever got prior to installing the ficht was 556kms. The truck has about 24000kms on it. This thing is working for me and it is starting to earn the money I spent.
I should say one thing...the truck seems to be starting to smell like a diesel. It regenerated on my last tank of fuel also, so the next tank may be interesting.
I just want the mileage the dealer promised me and spending a little to get it is pretty much my only option at this point. I am now getting better mileage than the '03 Hemi Ram I traded in.
If you took a chemistry class you would understand how hydrocarbon cracking works on a basic level and thus; would not fall for voodoo science that someone cleverly marketed to you. At bare minimum it would be at least understandable that people would be cracking their own gasoline and distillates (diesel) from heavier hydrocarbons at home if it were as easy as Fitch makes it appear.
By the time fuel makes it to our cars it has aged and on average only about 80% of the fuel we put in our vehicles actually gets burned in the combustion cycle of our engines the unburned fuel along with other garbage is dumped out the tailpipe. What I have learned is that with Fitch the fuel gains a few octane during treatment and run-in time increases the efficiency of the burn to about 98%. When we are burning all of the fuel that is put into the combustion chamber we gain more power and dump less garbage out the tailpipe. How Fitch does this I do not know but it does. The key that the local retailer told me was to allow proper run in time usually about 10 miles per 1000 on the odometer. My Mercedes Benz showed gains quickly about 100 miles, my explorer took a bit longer about 700 miles. When I took my colleague's Pontiac on a 2800 mile trip, he told me to expect 22 mpg, I put Fitch in the tank as a courtesy and averaged 28 mpg on the trip. As for Fitch being put on at the factory...from what I understand Mercedes Benz is now making Fitch standard equipment starting with the 2007 model year.
I'm wondering if you're really that tied to creative marketing. I will bring you a chemical engineer and a Doctorate of organic chemistry who will PROVE to you that there is no possible way this can work.
Improving efficiency in an engine 20% is not going to happen by way of improving fuel. If the fuel were as degraded as your astute salesman led you to believe, there is a strong chance that your car wouldn't even start. That would translate to at least 4-5000 PPM HC on an emissions test. California fails you at 120 PPM. In fact, in a gasoline engine higher octane translates to less potential energy than lower octane fuel - shooting another hole in the Fitch
It's impossible to crack gasoline (aka raise its octane level) with no net energy added, let alone no refinery. If it were, when I was buying racing fuel, I would buy the $3.49 / gal 87 octane and use Fitch's magic to replace my $7.99 gallon 115 octane. So if it's clearly not possible to affect octane levels in gasoline, logic should dictate that affecting cetane levels would also be impossible with the FFC.
I'm wondering if you're really that tied to creative marketing. I will bring you a chemical engineer and a Doctorate of organic chemistry who will PROVE to you that there is no possible way this can work.
Improving efficiency in an engine 20% is not going to happen by way of improving fuel. If the fuel were as degraded as your astute salesman led you to believe, there is a strong chance that your car wouldn't even start. That would translate to at least 4-5000 PPM HC on an emissions test. California fails you at 120 PPM. In fact, in a gasoline engine higher octane translates to less potential energy than lower octane fuel - shooting another hole in the Fitch
It's impossible to crack gasoline (aka raise its octane level) with no net energy added, let alone no refinery. If it were, when I was buying racing fuel, I would buy the $3.49 / gal 87 octane and use Fitch's magic to replace my $7.99 gallon 115 octane. So if it's clearly not possible to affect octane levels in gasoline, logic should dictate that affecting cetane levels would also be impossible with the FFC.
If the following is true "In fact, in a gasoline engine higher octane translates to less potential energy than lower octane fuel" why were you doing this "when I was buying racing fuel"?
Don't bother explaining to me how octane and race engines work...I have wikipedia. LOL!!!
All I can say is I have noticed a difference in mileage. If every person of authority was always right we would still think the world was flat and Einstein was an idiot. My world is round...E=MC2...I am getting a little better mileage and after about 100 tanks of fuel I might get my $300 back...oh well!!!
LOL, it is just as easy to leave it in place, it does not hurt anything.
From the Fitch propaganda "re-refining the fuel"? *** is that? And I don't think I would be announcing to the world that I can be duped that easily...
Just to kick start the thought process.... leaving one in place has a very distinct possibility of restricting fuel flow.... (come to think of it, installing one might accomplish that by itself)...
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