H&S Press release. NOT GOOD NEWS for guys with H&S Tuners

[dsroka80504]

This is great news, finally cracking down on this stuff. There is absolutely no need to delete the emission stuff and as Mark pointed it, it is against the law. I don't see people buying new BMWs and smashing out the catalytic converters to get "more power". I love how clean my truck runs and the fact it doesn't stink up the joint when it idles on a cold day. My truck buries my old tuned 7.3 and does so with 1/100th of the pollution, noise and stink. If they want to create tunes that don't ruin the environment, I am all for that. But deleting DPFs and other emission stuff is just ridiculous. Don't believe me? Spend some time in Mexico City where your eyes water from the pollution. I'm sorry that their business is impacted, but they should operate within the confines of the law. Next step would be to crack down on the owners who delete the stuff. Try doing that in Boulder and you will be laughed out of the emission testing station. Go ahead and flame me, call me a tree hugger, whatever. I just enjoy clean air.

[superduty6.4]

Originally Posted by dsroka80504

This is great news, finally cracking down on this stuff. There is absolutely no need to delete the emission stuff and as Mark pointed it, it is against the law. I don't see people buying new BMWs and smashing out the catalytic converters to get "more power". I love how clean my truck runs and the fact it doesn't stink up the joint when it idles on a cold day. My truck buries my old tuned 7.3 and does so with 1/100th of the pollution, noise and stink. If they want to create tunes that don't ruin the environment, I am all for that. But deleting DPFs and other emission stuff is just ridiculous. Don't believe me? Spend some time in Mexico City where your eyes water from the pollution. I'm sorry that their business is impacted, but they should operate within the confines of the law. Next step would be to crack down on the owners who delete the stuff. Try doing that in Boulder and you will be laughed out of the emission testing station. Go ahead and flame me, call me a tree hugger, whatever. I just enjoy clean air.

I deleted my truck with the intent of getting better fuel mileage not to smoke out every intersection. I have achieved the better mileage from this which in turns lets me purchase a little less fuel from the stinking refinery that produces it. In stock form I burnt more fuel which costed me more money, made the oil companies a little richer and as opposed to me making the air dirty that same refinery is doing it. Who's in the right? I guess it's a matter of opinion as to who pollutes the air...myself or the billion dollar oil companies that are getting richer.
By no means am I saying I am in the right for removing emissions equipment but with the economy the way it is the only person that benefits from this situation either way is the oil company. Sure you think that with all the emissions equipment installed we are saving the environment but where does all the smoke from the refinery go after making millions of gallons of more fuel. Do they have a dpf on their stacks?

[Rickeoni]

Any side of this argument can be justified if you spin the facts in the right or left direction. It is all for nothing though, if you look at the root of the issue. We drive big trucks that pollute more than little cars, they use more fuel than little cars, they take up more room than little cars. You want to save fuel / save the environment / save the environment, ride a bike or better yet, walk. If the average vehicle lasts 7 years, in the time spent producing it the factory produces more pollution than the vehicle in its entire lifetime! There are so many ways that you can spin this argument but in the end the little guy is the easiest to control and the big corporations can fool Joe public into thinking that they are doing the right thing, all the while lining their pockets with gobs of cash.

[ptanner3]

i like how people get on here and claim what they do is exactly right. i have a 2012, shame on anybody who has a 2008 which gets crappy mileage. i have a 2004, shame on anyone who has a 2000 and doesn't have my truck's emmisions. i say, your truck, do what you want. to me diesel drivers seem to be the most anal vehicle owners around, keeping their truck running with the most power/ mileage (overall) they can. what will they do next, require you to drive your truck with a minimum cargo load? i will do everything i can to skirt the emmisions in favor of better mileage/ more power/longer engine life.

[08smoker08]

Here here sir!
When his truck takes a crap because of all the egr and DPF. I hope he doesn't whine on the forum. Absolutely rediculous the ammount of banter you get about pollution. Anyone want to talk about all the green cars that are so small and run on batteries. Those batteries cause more pollution and disposal costs than my truck could ever do.

If someone wants to talk pollution maybe start another thread

But back to the subject at hand and why I posted in the first place was to just give a heads up to those who are using or looking to use H&S.

Rant over. At least for now.

[Cubulldog66]

There is nothing wrong with the emissions except they ruin a truck. I have a 6.4 that was getting 12 mpg and the dpf stopped up. 1800 dollars at the dealer. I deleted dpf, egr coolers, installed h&so mini maxx, and 5 inch straight pipe. I now get 22.3 mpg and no trouble. Screw Obama and our worthless government.

[ford_doctor]

We can all agree that many of the emissions devices on our cars and trucks today have drawbacks and undesirable side affects but they are there for a reason, a good reason. Clean air!

[senix]

Originally Posted by ford_doctor

We can all agree that many of the emissions devices on our cars and trucks today have drawbacks and undesirable side affects but they are there for a reason, a good reason. Clean air!

Ditto! I like the ability to walk all around the truck and not smell any diesel.

As the emissions mature they get better and more efficient.

[Rickeoni]

Originally Posted by senix

Ditto! I like the ability to walk all around the truck and not smell any diesel.

As the emissions mature they get better and more efficient.

I like the idea that my grandchildren might have clean air to breathe.

[STMPDUST]

Originally Posted by senix

Ditto! I like the ability to walk all around the truck and not smell any diesel.

As the emissions mature they get better and more efficient.

try walking around the truck on a Regen , ill bet you smell something!!!

[Rickeoni]

Originally Posted by STMPDUST

try walking around the truck on a Regen , ill bet you smell something!!!

My truck has never gone into regen at idle, it only regens at speed. If I try walking around my truck then, it will either drive away with me just standing there, or worse it will run me over. Either way I won't smell anything.

[smotrs]

If you've been on top of your Ford flashes, this isn't possible anymore, for quite some time actually.

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[spedkid94]

I have spoken to several companies. They are all pulling out for now due to EPA. They are still in business they are not making egr and dpf deletes. If you plan on doing one you can still get unlock codes from h&s and they are still supporting products on the market. This includes hs, sct, edge and efi live.

[senix]

Originally Posted by STMPDUST

try walking around the truck on a Regen , ill bet you smell something!!!

All of my regens are at speed. Can't regen in park. I can monitor so I don't shut it down while in regen.

[EKUgrad]

For all of those who scream global warming this, global warming that -- know this -- your EPA compliant DPF enabled trucks have a much larger carbon footprint than does a tuned truck by anywhere from 50-80%, in fact. You *may* produce less NO2 and particulate filter per mile traveled, but much of the gain is negated by the next rain and additional carbon load per mile traveled.

It's not as clear cut as you may think.