6.4L Upgrades and Aftermarket - EngineUpgrading or adding OEM or aftermarket equipment to your 2008-Up Super Duty truck with 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
I was reading the users manual on the Edge with Attitude and they also say they don't void the warranty, followed by a paragraph that says take it out before going in for maintenance, explaining that ALL tuners leave a trace that can be detected by the stealership. Back to that insightful comment about being half pregnant...
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2008 F-350 Lariat, CC, Short Bed, 6.4PSD
Gold on top, black on the bottom, camel on the inside
Go Hokies!
If I have to take my truck in to the dealer for anything, I'm just going to reinstall the stock tune; and disconnect both batteries. Then tell them that I've disconnected the batteries a few times trying to get any codes cleared. From what I've been told by most people "in the know"; they see that the system has been powered down......like disconnecting the batteries. Unless they really have a reason to dig any deeper, such as a major failure that they suspect to be caused by extra power; why would they even bother. I drive my truck like a 1 ton 4X4, not a Mustang GT, so I'm not too worried.
By law, I don't see how Ford can void someone's warranty if they use a tuner or any other after-market product on their truck. Only if Ford can prove that the after-market product led to the failure (whatever that may be) will they then be able to legally void the warranty.
This is the way it's been prior to the 6.4L PSD, so unless some high-priced group of lawyers working at Ford put together a warranty to get around the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, I don't see how Ford can void the warranty for using non-Motorcraft oil, non-Motorcraft transmission fluid, non-Motorcraft air filter, etc.
By law, I don't see how Ford can void someone's warranty if they use a tuner or any other after-market product on their truck. Only if Ford can prove that the after-market product led to the failure (whatever that may be) will they then be able to legally void the warranty.
This is the way it's been prior to the 6.4L PSD, so unless some high-priced group of lawyers working at Ford put together a warranty to get around the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, I don't see how Ford can void the warranty for using non-Motorcraft oil, non-Motorcraft transmission fluid, non-Motorcraft air filter, etc.
The way I understand it, you as the consumer, have to hire the layer and fight Ford. Sure they have to prove it, but the consumer foots the bill to take them to court over it.
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I concur with Engine31. That's the impression I've gotten from reading all the posts about a "voided" warranty. They don't actually void it, they just claim that your modifications caused the problem and the burden of proof is on you. Your warranty still exists, but will generally be of use only for non-related items. Ford (or any manufacturer) can afford a lawyer better than most of us. The general tone among this and other boards is--do what you want, just don't expect an easy road if things go wrong.
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2008 F-350 Lariat, CC, Short Bed, 6.4PSD
Gold on top, black on the bottom, camel on the inside
Go Hokies!
I concur with Engine31. That's the impression I've gotten from reading all the posts about a "voided" warranty. They don't actually void it, they just claim that your modifications caused the problem and the burden of proof is on you. Your warranty still exists, but will generally be of use only for non-related items. Ford (or any manufacturer) can afford a lawyer better than most of us. The general tone among this and other boards is--do what you want, just don't expect an easy road if things go wrong.
Sounds like just cause for a class-action lawsuit against Ford for violation of the spirit of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I'll contact Jerry Spence and make the arrangements.
Class action lawsuits are great for only two purposes: (1) make lawyers richer (2) increase cost to the sued party (sue-ee?) who then passes it on to the consumers. Nobody else makes out in a class-action. I know you were (semi) joking but I place class-action lawyers in a much lower level of hell than motor company execs and dealership service managers. I actually like my service manager. The debate to tune or not tune will go on forever; I don't plan to do anything until my warranty dies a natural death of old age.
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2008 F-350 Lariat, CC, Short Bed, 6.4PSD
Gold on top, black on the bottom, camel on the inside
Go Hokies!
Class action lawsuits are great for only two purposes: (1) make lawyers richer (2) increase cost to the sued party (sue-ee?) who then passes it on to the consumers. Nobody else makes out in a class-action. I know you were (semi) joking but I place class-action lawyers in a much lower level of hell than motor company execs and dealership service managers. I actually like my service manager. The debate to tune or not tune will go on forever; I don't plan to do anything until my warranty dies a natural death of old age.
My warranty goes to 200,000 miles or 7 years, so I have a long way to go assuming the engine lasts that long.
Did any of you guys adjust your tire size for your stock tires? I have an FX4 that came with 275/70/18's on it.... I doubt that Ford has a seperate program for all the different wheel tire combo's they have..... Mine are 32.1 inches tall.
And I guess you don't get the option to adjust the firmness of the tranny on our trucks.... I wasn't going to mess with it anyways.
2.5 miles per gallon sure would make it worth it!
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2008, F-250, FX4, Crew Cab, Short Bed, Oxford White w/ black interior, Dual Alternators, Sat. Navigation & Radio, Overhead DVD System, ESOF, Solid Rear Window, 3.73 Limited Slip, Upfitter Switches, Tow Command System w/ Power Scope Mirrors, Power Seats, and the Reverse Aid Sensor - Edge Insight Monitor, 2.5" Donahoe Racing Lift Kit, Fox 2.0" Piggy-Back Shocks, KMC Beadlocks w/ 35" Toyo M/T's, MBRP DPF back exhaust, Recon mirror lights, Fitch Fuel Catalyst, Randy Ellis Design Light Bar, Line-X, MotoBar, Gentex Temp/Direction Mirror
I installed the Econ program A on my stock 2005 F-250 diesel about a year ago. My mileage went from 16.4 to 18.4. I drove the same route to and from work and had the programmer installed for about a year. It worked so well that I didn't even try program B until recently. I've been very happy with the performance and mileage.
I towed my 14,000 lb fifth wheel up to the Smokeys and back and I picked up about a mile per gallon over the stock program. I got 10.5 mpg with the stock program and 11.5 with the hypermax.
I replaced my batteries last week and had to take the truck to the dealer for an unrelated wiring problem so I reinstalled the stock program. I didn't want the dealer installing upgrades over top of the econ program and corrupting the file. I really noticed a difference with the stock program reinstalled. The truck didn't perform nearly as well and my mileage dropped back to 16.4 mpg. As soon as I got the truck home I installed program B. The truck has lots of pep and I haven't really driven it enough to get a good baseline on the mileage.
I installed the Econ program A on my stock 2005 F-250 diesel about a year ago. My mileage went from 16.4 to 18.4. I drove the same route to and from work and had the programmer installed for about a year. It worked so well that I didn't even try program B until recently. I've been very happy with the performance and mileage.
The 2005 doesn't have the same emissions products as the 2008+ model year trucks, so your gains are not comparable. The consensus, from what I've seen and remaining street legal, you will not see much of an appreciable gain for the cost (from economy to warranty issues).
BTW, the 2008+ have a diesel particulate filter, and what we see in terms of economy across the board is anywhere between 10.5 and 15 MPG, stock!
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2008 F250 PSD XLT Super Cab Long Bed (4x2)
2006 Nissan Titan, 6 inch Procomp lift (4x2)
2000 Nissan Frontier, Custom Motorsports 8 inch lift (4x2)
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