Installed Edge Juice w/Attitude last night!

[scscrew]

Just to update everyone, I have put about 1200 miles on the truck since installing the Juice just 2 weeks ago. I am loving this mod and have had no problems with the Juice or the truck. I did have the BFG A/T 305/65/18 tires put on last Thursday and have noticed that the fuel mileage took about a 1.5-2 MPG hit since then. Those tires weigh 67 lbs each and are 1 inch wider and 0.5 inch taller so that is to be expected, but it is so worth it.

Last week, before the tires, I posted on my results from a trip from Columbia to Charleston and back. I made the same trip again today with the new tires. Going down this morning I was running with the Edge on Level 2 and traveling between 65 and 75 due to traffic being a little heavier than usual. When I got there the message center showed 16.8 MPG. On the way home this afternoon, I kicked it up to Level 3 and once on the interstate I set the cruise at 72 and kept it there all the way back (about 80 miles at this speed). I went 42 miles and was getting 16.1 when the truck went into regen. The regen lasted for 12 minutes and the truck showed 14.4 MPG right after the regen. I reset the message center calculator and when I finished the last leg of the freeway I was getting 16.4 MPG.

Then, I got on I-77 where the speed limit decreases to 60 mph. I ran 16 miles at 65 mph and noticed that my mileage had gone up to 17.9 MPG. The sweet spot for this truck seems to be right at the 70 mph mark. Once I go over this the mileage decrease is much more noticeable. I am extremely pleased with the Juice and am glad that I installed it. I have not noticed anything different in terms of engine noise or operation other than fewer downshifts while accelerating on the freeway and less turbo lag, both of which are welcome improvements.

I do wish that Edge would allow the user to lower the cold temperature protection setting. It keeps the Juice from functioning until the engine coolant temp reaches 170 degrees. I understand and appreciate this built in safety feature but would like to be able to lower this to around 140 or 150. On cold mornings, it can take a while for the temp to reach 170. You can't adjust this setting other than turning it on or off and I like to have it on, just wish it was set lower.

Speaking of cold temps, it is supposed to be 16 degrees here Friday morning and 9 degrees on Saturday morning. That's crazy and unwelcomed weather here in SC. Anyway, I bought some Power Service Diesel Supplement today and put 8 oz in the tank when I filled up. It said on the bottle that it was for use in Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. Has anyone else used this in the new 6.4 engines? I don't want to take a chance on the fuel or fuel filter gelling up as I leave early in the mornings.

[1 haulin psd]

the edge juice is great,but the edge evolution is even better..its settings are 60hp tow,80hp race,100hp xtreme..i could tell a HUGE diff in acceleration and power. it monitors a bunch of stuff too...i can get my HEAVY psd 0 to 60 in 8.5 seconds with the evolution. and thats a manual trans. 18.5mpg with evolution

[BooStJunKey]

While I do agree with "1 haulin PSD" that the gains in horsepower and torque are greater with the "Edge Evolution" it's important to remember that this is a programmer and should be detectable by the dealer if so desired. I don't know about you guys but I'd give up the 25 on HP and 50 on torque for the ability to fly under the radar and go with the juice with attitude for that reason alone.

[1 haulin psd]

yeah he's right it can be detected by the dealer but if your not worried about that warranty stuff id say go 4 the evolution...that extra 25hp makes a big diff!!

[1970Cyclone]

Originally Posted by 1 haulin psd

yeah he's right it can be detected by the dealer but if your not worried about that warranty stuff id say go 4 the evolution...that extra 25hp makes a big diff!!

So someone here is actually NOT concerned about warranty on a 50K truck?

[sclevela]

Originally Posted by BooStJunKey

While I do agree with "1 haulin PSD" that the gains in horsepower and torque are greater with the "Edge Evolution" it's important to remember that this is a programmer and should be detectable by the dealer if so desired. I don't know about you guys but I'd give up the 25 on HP and 50 on torque for the ability to fly under the radar and go with the juice with attitude for that reason alone.

so the juice with attitude isnt detectable by dealer? dealer and buddy of mine claim that all of these are detectable on the '08 and up?

[powerstrokin03]

edge juice with att monitor is not detectable, it takes readings that come after the computer then modifies them. So the computer has no knowledge of it being installed

[brockmarcotte]

how much did your whole thing run for? im thinking about getting one for my 03 f-250 but i dont want to spend too much money on one.

[08Lariat250]

So your positive about the juice not being detectable? I have been looking at a programmer for a while but I do NOT wanna blow the warranty on my engine!

[honda_guy4]

Updates? Anyone else have input on the edge/att. on 6.4? I am really on the fence about this for my 6.4? What effects on the dpf will it have, is my big question? Because if i am going to spend $700 on edge/att. and have my dpf plugged in 50k, i might as well spend the money and do get rid of the emission stuff to begin with!

However, I really don't want to void my warranty. But if i am spend the money for the edge and then have to spend the money for a new dpf down the road, i may as well get rid of it and enjoy a free flowing diesel w/better mpg. I have an edge/att. on my wife's f150 and one on my 06 dodge ctd, but not sure about this one? What else can you guys tell me about it, i know it is very easy to install, and won't void warranty if taken off before service. I am just not sure of the side effects? And only 70hp??

What hp/position are you guys running them in? Does you really notice the power? Does it shift the tranny better? Thanks alot for your help!

[BooStJunKey]

Originally Posted by honda_guy4

I am just not sure of the side effects? And only 70hp??

What hp/position are you guys running them in? Does you really notice the power? Does it shift the tranny better? Thanks alot for your help!

It does shift the tranny better if you leave the "de-fueling" set to it's default, which is on. This will let off the gas as it's shifting gears and not burn up your tranny prematurely.

I purchase my edge with attitude around the beginning/mid December, since then I've run about 10-15 tanks of fuel. I have been playing around with the settings to find the best econonmy. I will say that the edge doesn't come with the most updated firmware although, it comes with a program called "fusion" that you load on your computer, create an account and then update your edge with the newest firmware version, which I believe is 2.2 (or maybe 2.5). Anyway, after that is complete your edge will run more efficiently then out of the box. That being said, I've calculated and tallied my mileage that I'm getting for most of the settings.

Here's a little on my truck so you know what I'm workin' with. I have a 6" lift with Toyo Open Country 37" tires. I have a 4" DPF back Magnaflow exhaust. And I have a S&B high flow air intake.

setting 1 mileage: I get the best mileage on this setting. It increased about 1.5 to 2.5 mpg. The power and response is still considerably better than stock. I was getting 11-12 mpg stock with just the lift and tires (I got the lift 2 weeks after I bought the truck so all mileage below is calculated with the lift and oversized tires). Regens have been less prolific. The truck seems to stay in the same gear more often even when you get on it a little bit. My mileage on this setting is an average of 14.5 mpg. I drive relatively normal, I don't keep my foot in it all the time but I don't baby it either. Most of my driving is a split between highway and surface streets with half of my commute driven on each one.

setting 2 tow: Haven't tested this setting yet.

setting 3 drive: Tested this setting when I first got the edge. Recieved the same mileage as without the edge (12 mpg), more power though (obviously). Regens were more prolific than stock.

setting 4 race: I tested this setting once and recorded mileage, which was worse then stock without the edge installed and Regens were more prolific. average mpg was 10mpg or so.

setting 5 extreme: The highest horsepower and torque setting. The motor seemed like it wanted to jump out of the truck, seemed like timing and fuel were increased dramatically by this setting. Mileage was the worst on this setting with an average of 9 mpg and Regens were very prolific. My commute is about 70 miles total a day and each day I would have a regen.

I have had one CEL code (p2002) since I've had the edge and the nice thing about the edge is that you can clear CEL codes in realtime. This particular code was P2002-DPF efficiency below threshhold. This pertains to the ability to burn off the soot collected in the DPF. Now I remember this day and when the regen happened, it was on a surface street close to home and I was at cruising speed around 35-45 mph. The regen took forever and I remember that the EGTs weren't getting high enough to burn off the soot. Before the Regen could finish I reached the end of my destination. The next morning after I started the truck the CEL code popped up on the "idiot" console. Also, this happened "pre-firmware flash" on the edge. So I believe this problem has been addressed by edge because after flashing the device with new firmware it's never happened again, also I cleared the CEL with the edge while the motor was running...rather nice feature.

Overall I am VERY happy with the edge and think it's the best choice for someone that wants a power increase but doesn't want to lose their warranty. Hope this helps .

[DSTRBD]

So your positive about the juice not being detectable? I have been looking at a programmer for a while but I do NOT wanna blow the warranty on my engine!

When I brought my truck in with it on, my tech buddy there said it did not show up anywhere. There have been others here with the same report.

[piomice]

Originally Posted by BooStJunKey

It does shift the tranny better if you leave the "de-fueling" set to it's default, which is on. This will let off the gas as it's shifting gears and not burn up your tranny prematurely.

I purchase my edge with attitude around the beginning/mid December, since then I've run about 10-15 tanks of fuel. I have been playing around with the settings to find the best econonmy. I will say that the edge doesn't come with the most updated firmware although, it comes with a program called "fusion" that you load on your computer, create an account and then update your edge with the newest firmware version, which I believe is 2.2 (or maybe 2.5). Anyway, after that is complete your edge will run more efficiently then out of the box. That being said, I've calculated and tallied my mileage that I'm getting for most of the settings.

Here's a little on my truck so you know what I'm workin' with. I have a 6" lift with Toyo Open Country 37" tires. I have a 4" DPF back Magnaflow exhaust. And I have a S&B high flow air intake.

setting 1 mileage: I get the best mileage on this setting. It increased about 1.5 to 2.5 mpg. The power and response is still considerably better than stock. I was getting 11-12 mpg stock with just the lift and tires (I got the lift 2 weeks after I bought the truck so all mileage below is calculated with the lift and oversized tires). Regens have been less prolific. The truck seems to stay in the same gear more often even when you get on it a little bit. My mileage on this setting is an average of 14.5 mpg. I drive relatively normal, I don't keep my foot in it all the time but I don't baby it either. Most of my driving is a split between highway and surface streets with half of my commute driven on each one.

setting 2 tow: Haven't tested this setting yet.

setting 3 drive: Tested this setting when I first got the edge. Recieved the same mileage as without the edge (12 mpg), more power though (obviously). Regens were more prolific than stock.

setting 4 race: I tested this setting once and recorded mileage, which was worse then stock without the edge installed and Regens were more prolific. average mpg was 10mpg or so.

setting 5 extreme: The highest horsepower and torque setting. The motor seemed like it wanted to jump out of the truck, seemed like timing and fuel were increased dramatically by this setting. Mileage was the worst on this setting with an average of 9 mpg and Regens were very prolific. My commute is about 70 miles total a day and each day I would have a regen.

I have had one CEL code (p2002) since I've had the edge and the nice thing about the edge is that you can clear CEL codes in realtime. This particular code was P2002-DPF efficiency below threshhold. This pertains to the ability to burn off the soot collected in the DPF. Now I remember this day and when the regen happened, it was on a surface street close to home and I was at cruising speed around 35-45 mph. The regen took forever and I remember that the EGTs weren't getting high enough to burn off the soot. Before the Regen could finish I reached the end of my destination. The next morning after I started the truck the CEL code popped up on the "idiot" console. Also, this happened "pre-firmware flash" on the edge. So I believe this problem has been addressed by edge because after flashing the device with new firmware it's never happened again, also I cleared the CEL with the edge while the motor was running...rather nice feature.

Overall I am VERY happy with the edge and think it's the best choice for someone that wants a power increase but doesn't want to lose their warranty. Hope this helps .

Excellent post. Thank you for the detail.

[honda_guy4]

Thanks for the update! I am starting to lean towards sct . Warranty may go out the window, but the rewards of up to an extra 275hp and 16-22 mpg sounds pretty nice. Not that i need that kind of extra power, and probably won't get those particular tunes, but more power is always better!

[timid1]

Originally Posted by DSTRBD

When I brought my truck in with it on, my tech buddy there said it did not show up anywhere. There have been others here with the same report.

I don't know that I'm completely convinced that this is true. While it may not modify the footprint, it makes sense to me that Ford might have taken advantage of the OBD II specification and recorded the amount of time a device was attached to the port (this is easy to do), or the amount of activity. Point I'm trying to make is that if Ford really wanted to detect it, they're going to take advantage of the fact that they designed the truck!

Not trying to offend here, but just trying to point out: just because your friend who works for a dealership doesn't mean that he's privy to all the ins-and-outs of the truck's inner workings. There are many ways I'm sure Ford could tell that such a device was ever attached to the truck. If you just so happen to get a dealership that didn't catch it, it doesn't mean that they didn't have the means to do it--it just means they didn't notice it.

I'm not convinced about the programmer. That won't stop me from buying one, but I'll only do it after my warranty is up. And in the mean time, I'm just trying to help by showing people that it still MIGHT be detectable. Warranty is a pretty big deal to me, and if a vendor (well, let's pick on the manufacturer instead) backed their product up with a guarantee that it COULD NOT be detected by the dealership and that it WOULD NOT void my truck's warranty, then I might be more inclined to believe. But no such guarantee exists. In fact, they all say that they're not responsible. Period. Wishful thinking, right?