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Old 12-11-2009, 09:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Cold Weather Problem with F-250 Diesel

Hi. I am new to the thread but by the way i have seen things answers are frequent and accurate. So i'll just dive right into it.

I just bought my first truck, Ford F-250 Diesel Lariat. this is the first winter for the truck in my possession. within this tank of fuel i added less than 10 oz of Diesel Kleen to a 30 gal tank. I live in Iowa where it can get really cold out. We just had a cold spell, single digit weather and lows down to -12 F.

the problem started when i was driving home from work. the engine started fine. i have a remote start system. while driving down the highway the engine started to lose power. it eventually died on me but the electrical was still on. i tried to restart it but to no avail. i waited about 2 or so minutes and tried again. it started up and was fine. the next morning i started up and it started just fine. i let it warm up for about 10 minutes. i took off easy. the temp was reading at about -10 F. when i got out to the highway and was picking up speed it started to die on me again. i was able to pull off the highway. same situation. i tried to start up again but the engine would just crank. i waited for about 5-10 minutes and tried starting up again. it started up but the Check Engine Light was on. Luckily there was a Ford Dealership only a quarter mile away and limped it down there. they are looking at it today and see what happens.

but any insight from you guys would be appreciated. this way i might be able to prevent it from happening again. Thanks.
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Just taking a shot in the dark here, I have no experience with weather that cold and diesels. Maybe the fuel is gelling up? Also, are you plugging in the block heater at night? I believe they will start up in 0 degree weather, but anything below and it needs to be plugged in. Your guess is as good as mine here. Good luck though and let us know the outcome.
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Yea you are likely gelling. The "umph" chemical in diesel is Paraffin wax (candle wax) when it is warm the Paraffin stays in solution but when it gets into the 20s it starts to come out and will clog the filters. This is likely why you could wait a few minutes and then restart. The heat of the engine was melting what was caught in the filter. You can get anti-gel additives plus you need to find out where they have D-1 or winterized diesel. D-2 (or Amber #2 in some places) is normal diesel, D-1 is normal diesel but with Kerosene in it. For now swing by someplace and get an anti-gel additive. Walmart probably has it in your area or where ever you can get vehicle stuff. If you can't find it you can add a little Kerosene to the tank. The normal ratios are 80:20, 70:30, 60:40, or 50:50 (according to the web, 80% diesel - 20% Kerosene). I would try the 80:20 first and if it still gels then try the next. The more Kero the less the lubricating quality of the diesel. Good luck.
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thanks rock doctor. my boss and i were talking about it and that is kind of what we were thinking what it was. i did buy some additives and put some in on my last fill. the ratio was 60 gal of fuel -> 20 oz of additive. the only thing was i didn't have a way of measuring the additive so i just threw in 10 cap-fulls assuming that a cap was about an ounce for a 30 gal tank. maybe i should have put in more. thanks again.
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anti-gel will help and the truck is designed to start without plugging in at -20F....but Ford does say anything below 0F you should plug in.

So most likely they are gonna put new fuel filters on it and send you on your way.
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i am hoping it's that easy.
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Well i got a call back from the mechanic and they reprogrammed the computer. well i hope that is where the problem was.
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I switch from Power Service Diesel Kleen to their Diesel Fuel Supplement in the cold months to gain the anti-gelling capability along with some Cetane boost.
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They always reprogram the computer... Take it in for wiper blades and they will reprogram the computer... I would keep with the anti-gel until you can start using the winter diesel.
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Just use No 1 diesel during the winter and you won't have any problem. Blue label Stanadyne is soooo much better than Powerservice if you want to use an addative. It will help keep the moisture out, but if you keep your tank full when it gets really cold, you won't have any condensation, otherwise use the Stanadyne Blue Label.

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Avoid the #1 here for at least another couple weeks. We are harvesting corn right now in ND and its been -20farh plus windshield over the last week and trying to keep 3 semis, 3 tractors, and a combine running. We use straight #2 diesel with Howes ULSD compliant anitgell additive. We haven't had a single problem so far we have a lot of neighbors that went with #1 and gelled up and some friends that live else were are saying the same thing. Some are thinking either the pipeline wasn't flushed good or suppliers are putting it on top of there bio diesel blends from the summer. Personally unless it starts getting down to -40 Howes is all I run get better mileage and cheaper then running #1. The other trick is never run your tank down to a 1/4 or less and dump a bunch of cold fuel on top.
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You must be right about your #1 not really being #1. Real #1 won't gel until about -40. Lots of anti-gel products out there. I just had the best luck with Stanadyne Blue Label.
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I agree something has to be contaminating it. I'd love to try some standyne even just the additive in the summer just not real available around here. Most common are the Diesel 911 and Howes both are good we can just buy the Howes cheaper. Should add that I started running it 2wks ago to get it into the system good and went on a 1000mile trip last weekend temps were 10-20 the whole time with highway speeds of 78mph when not in stop and go traffic. Anyway I got 15.5mpg average on the trip with quite a bit of stop and go city driving in Minneapolis and Mankato and made it 900 miles without a regen along with quiter running.

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We used to have two or three diesel delivery trucks. They would each run 300+ miles per day. At least one would gel up at the first cold snap every winter.
The Motorcraft anti gel works well (and I'm not just saying that because of the obvious)
There is a tow truck company in town with a whole fleet of UD diesels; they swear by the stuff.
I couldn't send it to you because of the hazmat thing, but your local dealer should have it.
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I always ordered mine from these guys. I'd buy 2 cases at a time as the freight was the same for 2 as it was for 1. They had the best prices I ever found for Stanadyne Blue Label.


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