2008- 2010 General QuestionsGeneral questions related to 2008-Up Super Duty trucks. If it doesn't fit the other categories, post it here. Gas engine discussion that pertains to all models is allowed. Specific gas engine questions should use the Gas Engines forum.
2009 F450 Pickup Lariat Plus w/Nav, 4X4 Off-Road Pkg, Rhino bed liner, 50 gal Transfer Flow fuel tank, 24k Reese Signature Series 5th-wheel hitch.
2011 MS 36RSSB3 w/vanity slide and a nice 4,285 lbs of hitch weight
Guard, I logged into the auction site to get you some real numbers. Blue Book isn't going to mean anything, dealers will give you what they are going for at auction where they can buy them. There are 154 F450s at auction this week, most are cab and chassis or utility bodies. I have picked out a few of the pick-ups.
2008 White Lariat - 19K miles - $38K
2008 White XL - 22K - $37K
2008 Black Lariat - 24K - $39,850
2008 Blue Lariat - 27K - $42K
2008 White Lariat - 29K - $38K
2008 Black Lariat - 35K - $40K
2008 Steel Gray Lariat - 35K - $34,800
2008 Red King Ranch - 43K - $37,800
2008 White King Ranch - 61K - $37K
2008 Silver Lariat - 65K - $33,500
2008 Rust King Ranch - 70K - $32,300
2008 White Lariat - 91K - $27,900
All of these were obviously dually Crew Cabs. These were the trucks with "Buy it now" or "Dealer trade for this price" which typically runs a little high. You will see it vary all over the board, depending on what the dealer has into the truck or location. I picked the ones that were all rated 4 out of 5 or higher in condition. There were no pick-ups newer than 2008 at auction, only cab and chassis. I didn't go back past 2008 either. I hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else.
The problem I have is the numbers above reflect minimal effort and make the assumption that all F450's are driven and cared for the same. I also have about $10000 worth of extras on mine that they want to ignore but you know damn well they will charge for them when they sell it.
62 gal fuel tank
Ford remote start
spray in bedliner
etc. many of which are or will be Ford items. Also cant get a straight answer of a buyers order confirming what they are offering to do.
2012 F150 SuperCrew Lariat 157" VWE
Traded March 2013
2008 F450 CC Lariat White/Gold, JAD Solutions Lights, 62 Gal Titan, B&W Hitch, Gold Remote Start, TruckTrunk box, Viair 550+2x2.5gal receiver, 2010 NAV and Sync
Traded In Nov 07:
2003 F250 CC LB XLT 4x2 PowerStroke, Captains Chairs, White/Parchment, Torqshift, Heated Mirrors, Trailer hitch
I had run into the same issue 9 months ago with the tradein of my 450. The dealership mutilated my truck a year ago and I tried to get the owner to buy it, and was insulted after the offer. They told me that my 2 year old $60k truck was only worth $28k, but F35o's were going for $15k more than there offer. I could not believe that was there good faith offer. I would have been happy with $10k more, they could still have made $5k on the truck, even after they screwed up. Problem was that everything was averaged in with the Chassis cabs.
I didn't pull the cab and chassis because they are different, you are correct. Fact is, dealers really go to Manheim site, where I went to see what they will pay for it. They couldn't care less if it is well maintained or not maintained at all, as long as nothing is broken on it. To them, it is just a piece of metal with a value within a range. They only care if it looks good so it will shine when they detail it and it isn't leaking anything, smoking or making any funny noises. You are better to take all of your stuff off, they will give you nothing for it. They actually prefer not to get it. It creates too many questions around how was it installed, is it good quality, etc. Bone stock will almost always bring the most money. Car dealers operate only with minimal effort. It is just inventory, if they can buy the same vehicle at auction for 20% less, they are going to do it. It is always hard when there is an emotional attachment to a vehicle ( i take great care of it, always wax it, only use the best fluids, etc). The problem is that there is zero emotional attachment to these for dealers. If you go to Manheim on a lease return day, you can watch all of the buyers from local dealers shop the inventory. They carry a laptop where they enter VIN, mileage condition and a few other items. The computer spits out a value and that is what they will pay, not a penny more. It is pretty amazing to watch 300+ Grand Cherokee lease returns run through an auction in a matter of a few hours. It is only about the auction value, nothing else.
I just walked into the dealer last week on a 2011 F450 and they offered me 35K for my 2008 F450 (4:88) Lariate with 15K on it (didnt even look at it hard). It is mint with duel DVD's, Line-X, Pace Edwards electric bed cover, LED lights in bed, Remote starter, tinted windows, vent-tech visors and many extras. This truck has a custom cover and not a scratch on it. Oil changes every 3K and I can eat off the engine. I felt it was not an insult but not as much as I would like. I think if he told me 38K he might of had a deal.
Use the data I posted above. Tell him you looked up auction prices. That is what these guys all do anyway, KBB is not accurate because trade values typically are inflated due to how often dealers have to buy people out of their cars that are upside down. Values are updated every 3 months by what the dealers submit. Auction is true value. Sounds like they are just using the average auction price of 38K to make a few bucks at the auction if they can't sell it in 60 days or so. If you push them, i bet you they get to 38K, the numbers support it is a fair price. If you need me to run the auction prices for this week let me know. Good luck.