As the title says. What all is involved ?? Can you do high/low and fogs? What's the cost? Can I switch between Low and High beam without delay? Are there any drawbacks to HID?
I currently have the stock setup. For me the best lighting comes from the low beams with fogs on. High beams light up a greater area but the light is not as bright. There also seems to be a dead about 30 yards in front of the truck.
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2008 F350 Lariat CC Black two tone and darn near everything else.
I'm looking at the Retro-Solutions HID kits - 55w for the headlights and a 35w for the fogs.
Looks like they have a good price !! How do you know which kit to buy ? Went to their site and I see a lot of different kits but they don't have a listing as to which vehicles they fit, or do they fit all vehicles ????
Have you done the install before ?
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2008 F350 Lariat CC Black two tone and darn near everything else.
I know I'll probably get heat for this but there is NO WAY you can do HID properly without changing out the reflectors. The focal length and light distribution pattern cannot be matched with a bulb change. HID's CANNOT sit at the proper depth and position in a reflector that is designed for and incandescent bulb. You'll get light where you don't want it or need it, and too little where you do need it. Not to mention they are not DOT approved, therefore not legal.
They are very simple to install and make a huge difference. I have not installed them on my Super Duty yet, but when I did the install on my H2 Hummer, all I had to do was angle the headlights down about 1/2 turn on the adjustment screw and never a problem. Great Light output as well.
In the following pic, the Drivers Side headlight is HID and the Passengers Side headlight is the stock factory bulb.
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2011 F250 SC Lariat 6.7L Tuxedo Black
2011 BMW X5 XDrive Turbo
Stan,
I went with these. It's what they recommended for what I was asking for. Installation should be pretty simple - plug and play. It's getting to the bulbs that's a little difficult and finding a good place for the ballasts. I hope to get mine installed this weekend.
Stan,
I went with these. It's what they recommended for what I was asking for. Installation should be pretty simple - plug and play. It's getting to the bulbs that's a little difficult and finding a good place for the ballasts. I hope to get mine installed this weekend.
Those are the same two I am looking at. I will probably get the headlights and hold off on the fogs for a while. I will be very interested to here how the install goes. From the wiring diagram (Todd from RS sent me) it shows one side of the truck side harness isn't used for the headlights. I wonder if that will throw a code ?? What color did you order ??
sbrennan007. That is the difference I am looking for !!
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Last edited by StanMI; 11-11-2009 at 10:21 PM.
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I know I'll probably get heat for this but there is NO WAY you can do HID properly without changing out the reflectors. The focal length and light distribution pattern cannot be matched with a bulb change. HID's CANNOT sit at the proper depth and position in a reflector that is designed for and incandescent bulb. You'll get light where you don't want it or need it, and too little where you do need it. Not to mention they are not DOT approved, therefore not legal.
Agreed 100%. I mean obviously anyone can buy a H13 HID kit and put it in the H13 slot, but this is not the right way to do it. As quoted above, you need reflectors (or more commonly projectors) which were built for the HID bulb.
H13 halogens put out ~1100 lumens on low beam. The H13 HID will put out ~3200 lumens on low beam. Heat will be no concern, the HID will actually burn cooler, but the amount of light will be way too much. There will be stray light going places it is NOT supposed to go. YOU will be able to see better at the expense of everyone else on the road. Aiming them down is counterproductive as you will loose distance, and you will still be throwing light above the horizon if you have these HID bulbs in a DOT free form reflector which was built for a halogen bulb.
Projectors provide a perfect cutoff and allow very little (if any at all) lights above the cutoff, this allows all the light to be put on the road. The reflectors in our truck have decent cutoff for halogen, but when you increase the bulb intensity 300% there is way too much light coming up above the cutoff.
Here's a test - take your truck with the headlights on and drive toward a wall and you will see your cutoff. Can you see anything above the cutoff? YES you can, because some light is allowed to stray upwards to light overhead signs. A true low beam HID system should allow very very little light upward. Putting the HID bulb in the H13 is a "no no."
The only true HID bulbs are D2S, D2R, D4S. D4R, and maybe one or two other types. Anything in the 9000 series or H series (9005, etc... H7, H9, H13, etc..) are HALOGEN bulbs and replacing them with anything other than a like wattage HALOGEN bulb is a violation of DOT rules.
There's even new studies out saying the while Halogen bulbs may not look as bright as HID, they allow better distance vision, because with Halogen, the change (on the horizon near the cutoff) from brightness to darkness is slow. While with HIDs you go from really bright light to super darkness (due to sharp cutoff) and it takes your eyes longer to adjust.
To answer your question though. You can buy the kits with low/high capabilities. This would be called a bi-xenon kit. It simply moves shield (or the entire bulb via a magnet switch) when you hit the brights.
FYI, the kits are considered illegal for any use besides 100% OFF ROAD USE.
Bump! Any of you guys get the install done yet? How do you like them??
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2008 F350 FX4 CC PSD SB
Most everything but Nav & DVD
Line-X bedliner
BakFlip tonneau cover
Reese 5th wheel hitch
Autodimming mirror with Homelink, compass & temp
HD radio and iPod adapter
I've been using LED headlights on my Oshkosh HEMTT (big 8x8 military truck) and when they come out with those with a good lens, I'm VERY interested. They are very bright and have a nice pattern to avoid blinding others, not to mention the small power draw.
I installed them in 08 250 last year when I first got it...the website i got the systems were www.xenongate.com...they went for about 100 a pair with ballasts and wiring and everything you need to install these and are plug and play. your best best is to unscrew the scres holding the headlight assy in and install it that way...there is plenty of room behind both driver and passenger headlights...i used a 6000k temp bulb which gives you that white/blueish color...as above stated the headlight is a h13 or you can use a 9008 bulb...either one comes with the high beam built into the assembly...the fog lights are 9145 bulbs or h10 bulbs...i also used a 6000k temp to match...since the base of the HID bulbs are a tiny bit thinner than the stock bulbs on the fog lights you may want to get a thin rubber gasket and put it on the base of the bulb before installing it into the housing as per moisture will be let into the housing...(i learned the hard way)... if its too snug to screw into the housing just back out two of the three screws that are attacked to the fog light assy on the truck...once you get the bulbs into place tighten the screws back in as tight as you can but not to strip them, they are only plastic...you can mount the ballasts onto the frame somewhere, there are a lot of places that you can mount under the truck...let me know if you have any other questions on this or i was unclear on anything let me know...i happily help you out...hope this helps...ttyl
Last edited by BigBlue6four; 11-30-2009 at 07:28 PM.
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