F450 Discounts and leases

[gobuffs]

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section. I didn't see this question as disallowed either.

I see that people are posting they can't find F450s to buy. I also see the new ones listed on Ebay are BIN for MSRP. I used the get internet price when searching on a Ford dealer's website and their price came back at nearly $10k off MSRP. How does that compare to an X plan pricing (I know somebody that works for Ford so I could probably get a PIN)?

Does anybody lease these things? On the estimate payment screen when searching a 24, 36 or 48 month lease with 15k miles/yr I think on a 50k price are all in the $600-700 range. Dunno what interest rate that is based on.

I am trying to find the best combo to tow a 2 or 3 car trailer. i found a nice 3 car stacker, but it is a tag that the owner says is 15k pounds empty which doesn't look like it can be towed by anything but a motorhome.

Thanks!

[47fountain]

Originally Posted by gobuffs

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section. I didn't see this question as disallowed either.

I see that people are posting they can't find F450s to buy. I also see the new ones listed on Ebay are BIN for MSRP. I used the get internet price when searching on a Ford dealer's website and their price came back at nearly $10k off MSRP. How does that compare to an X plan pricing (I know somebody that works for Ford so I could probably get a PIN)?

Does anybody lease these things? On the estimate payment screen when searching a 24, 36 or 48 month lease with 15k miles/yr I think on a 50k price are all in the $600-700 range. Dunno what interest rate that is based on.

I am trying to find the best combo to tow a 2 or 3 car trailer. i found a nice 3 car stacker, but it is a tag that the owner says is 15k pounds empty which doesn't look like it can be towed by anything but a motorhome.

Thanks!

If your looking for a 2008 F450 King Ranch Loaded with all options with only 1600 miles I have one for sale.
MSRP $63450
I will sell for $49900 This truck is two months old. Look in the classifieds on this website.

[SmokeyWren]

Originally Posted by gobuffs

I used the get internet price when searching on a Ford dealer's website and their price came back at nearly $10k off MSRP. How does that compare to an X plan pricing

Prestige Ford near Dallas has an F-450 Lariat PSD pickup in stock. It is a Job 2 pickup without the heavy duty towing pkg, so it's not enough truck for your needs. But it will give you an idea of the deal if you close it today:

$56,705 MSRP
$52,219 X-Plan price
$3,500 Rebate
$1,000 Ford Credit rebate
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$47,719 net X-Plan price
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That's "nearly $10k off MSRP".

To search inventory in stock at dealers, click on the following link, then put in the zip code of a dealer. Change the search from F-250 to F-450, and it will show you F-450s in stock at that dealer, including the X-Plan price of those vehicles. There are no F-450s in stock in west Texas, so you may not find many near you either.
Ford Build & Price - 2008 Ford F-250 SD - Use FordDirect Search Service OR search dealers online

Note that dealers don't have to sell you the new vehicle at X-Plan price. And if they have an F-450 pickup in stock, they probably won't - because right now demand exceeds supply for that pickup. But most dealers will agree to order you a new rig at X-Plan price, so talk to your dealer.

I am trying to find the best combo to tow a 2 or 3 car trailer.

A BigTex 51' "3-car" trailer has a GVWR of 20,000 pounds, so you need enough truck to tow 20,000 pounds.

Actually, that trailer has two 10k axles, so the real GVWR of that trailer is closer to 23k.
So that means even the biggest, baddest F-350 DRW TowBoss with 26k GCWR is not enough truck. And an ordinary F-450 is not enough truck either. So yes, you need a specially-equipped F-450 to stay legal.

So not just any F-450. You need at least 30k GCWR, and preferrably 33K, so the ordinary chassis cab version of the F-450 won't do unless it has the high capacity towing pkg. Without that option it has only 26k GCWR, but with that option it has 30k GCWR.

And Ford has been messing with the GCWR of the new F-450 pickup, so you have to pay attention to exactly which F-450 pickup you're looking at.

If you order a new F-450 pickup now, the Job 3 ones built after January 1st, 2008 have 33,000 GCWR, so that's what you need.

But if you buy a Job 1 or Job 2 F-450 pickup that was assembled in CY 2007 off the dealer's lot, it must have the high capacity towing pkg, else it will have only 29k GCWR. And 29k may not be quite enough when you show up at the chicken coop loaded with a 20k to 23k trailer. The high capacity towing pkg came with a 4.88 rear end. If you'd prefer the 4.30 rear end, then be certain you order a Job 3 F-450 pickup.

[first_ford]

Originally Posted by SmokeyWren

But if you buy a Job 1 or Job 2 F-450 pickup that was assembled in CY 2007 off the dealer's lot, it must have the high capacity towing pkg, else it will have only 29k GCWR. And 29k may not be quite enough when you show up at the chicken coop loaded with a 20k to 23k trailer. The high capacity towing pkg came with a 4.88 rear end. If you'd prefer the 4.30 rear end, then be certain you order a Job 3 F-450 pickup.

The DOT don't care what ford says the GCWR is as long as the truck is registered properly and the trailer is registered properly. 14500lbs for the truck and 23000 for the trailer. and that you are also licensed to drive that much.

Originally Posted by gobuffs

I am trying to find the best combo to tow a 2 or 3 car trailer. i found a nice 3 car stacker, but it is a tag that the owner says is 15k pounds empty which doesn't look like it can be towed by anything but a motorhome.

Thanks!

I also find it hard to believe that the "tag" trailer is 15000 unloaded. There are not any bumper hitches that are higher than the F450's 16000 lbs rating, and that would only give you 1000lbs to ad to the trailer. I tow a 15000lb fifth-wheel and my truck doesn't even know it is there with the 4.30 gears Job 1 truck. I am also curious as to what the actual change is to the new trucks with 4.30 gears to increase the tow rating. Is it possibly de-tuned to the 4.88 rating and just done the same as the towing with 3.55 gears is keeping the same as the 3.73?

[up2nogood]

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I tow a 15000lb fifth-wheel and my truck doesn't even know it is there with the 4.30 gears Job 1 truck.




I presently tow a 38' fifth-wheel 13500lb with a early 99 350 7.3 Crew cab Short bed, does a pretty good job, I have added some upgrades to help,but thinking its time for a new one. I am in the process of finding, ordering whatever a new 08. From the looks of things I can stay with a SRW 350, what are you towing that 15000lb fifth wheel with ????? Sounds like it is doing a good job. Thanks

[first_ford]

I have a F450 with 4.30 gears right now. I did also tow my trailer with an 05 F350 SRW with the 3.73 gears prior, but I think that it is what caused my 6.0 to have the problems it did. It towed ok, but would not stay in OD on a flat surface. I origionaly was looking at the 08 DRW 350, but test drove the 450. I was sold on the tighter turning radius of the 450, but you can now order the wide track axle with the 350, and tow Boss package. If you are happy with what you have then you should go SRW it will be an improvement, but if you want much better, go up to DRW. The axle does make that much difference, it will definately do better. the other advantage that the 450 has too, is that it has bigger brakes. As a side note; I am not sure as to weather or not you can still get the 3.73 in the SRW

[SmokeyWren]

Originally Posted by first_ford

The DOT don't care what ford says the GCWR is as long as the truck is registered properly and the trailer is registered properly. 14500lbs for the truck and 23000 for the trailer. and that you are also licensed to drive that much.

True, but it would be pretty dumb to spend $50,000 for a new tow vehicle and not get enough truck to stay within the manufacturer's weight ratings. It's not that hard to buy enough truck for your needs, but you have to pay attention to detail when buying a new F-450 pickup right now.

I understand being overloaded a little because you didn't plan far enough ahead, and your load is now more than you planned. But purposely not buying enough truck to handle your known requirements sounds like somebody was behind the door when they passed out the brains.

Originally Posted by first_ford

As a side note; I am not sure as to weather or not you can still get the 3.73 in the SRW

You can.

Right now 3.73 limited slip is standard in an F-350 SRW PSD with either 20" tires and wheels or manual tranny. With 17" or 18" tires and wheels and with automagic tranny in an F-350 SRW PSD, 3.55 is standard, but 3.73 limited slip is still an option.

[up2nogood]

. I did also tow my trailer with an 05 F350 SRW with the 3.73 gears prior, but I think that it is what caused my 6.0 to have the problems it did. It towed ok, but would not stay in OD on a flat surface.




I am not having any problem staying in OD on the flat or slight grade, I did hit a head wind in Idaho that kept me out of OD, but is was blowing pretty hard. From what I am reading on the weight capacity of the new SRW 350 , what I am pulling should be more than enough

[gobuffs]

Originally Posted by SmokeyWren

Prestige Ford near Dallas has an F-450 Lariat PSD pickup in stock. It is a Job 2 pickup without the heavy duty towing pkg, so it's not enough truck for your needs. But it will give you an idea of the deal if you close it today:

*snip*

But if you buy a Job 1 or Job 2 F-450 pickup that was assembled in CY 2007 off the dealer's lot, it must have the high capacity towing pkg, else it will have only 29k GCWR. And 29k may not be quite enough when you show up at the chicken coop loaded with a 20k to 23k trailer. The high capacity towing pkg came with a 4.88 rear end. If you'd prefer the 4.30 rear end, then be certain you order a Job 3 F-450 pickup.

*whew* Thanks. The Job 3 truck I found does have the heavy duty towing package and is at a Dallas area dealer (I am in Tyler).