While the prices may be going up here lately id say here before long if you can wait a bit yull see some pretty attractive deals. They gotta sell trucks and they aint selling [bleep] right now, hence your bailout package
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Why don't some of you guy's vent your anger at the EPA for all the regulations put on the automotive industry . You have no idea what it takes to put a car/truck into production. You just are not able change things everyday, that's why the automotive industry has a shut down every June/July for 2 weeks, for change over. The design is done 1 to 2 years in advance. Change over costs are in the billions of dollars. The suppliers have to retool there plants too. Then make parts way ahead of time so they have parts for start up of the new model. Just think of the thousand's of parts that go into making a vehicle. All manufactures are the same . Want an education? Take a tour thru an assembly plant sometime.
The design engineers don't have magic powers, but they do one heck of a job .
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My 1997 F350 Crewcab Dually sold new for $21655.00. Ten years later a like equipped 2007 F350 sells for $44000.00. And up...It's gotta stop somewhere. I think it's time for Detroit to restructure. From top to bottom. The question is....are the auto workers willing to take pay and benefit cuts in order to preserve their jobs? The CEO's claim they'll work for a dollar a year. (Like we really believe that) The days of wages equivalent to $80.00 an hour (with benefits) are over I think. I don't make that kind of money, do you?
Just looked at some '08's today. Prices were good but financing was crap! I guess you have to pay cash to really get a good deal. What the hell's the point getting $10,000 off if you have to repay that same amount in interest. When I bought my Dodge they gave me a great price and 0% financing for 60 months. Ford will give me 2.9%, but only if I pay for 36 mos. and then they won't deal. I wonder why they can't sell trucks!
Well i say it it is just marketing and survival. They are just trying to make money from people who will pay the extra for a 09 now vs. giving more rebates later to get them off the lots for next year's models.
That being said they still need to get their head out of their a--! They should reorganize again and get their costs down to weather out this economic storm. Rather than expect their customers to pay these huge price increases on products, parts, labor, etc. during these tough times just to keep them going. They should also keep in mind that they are in business for the customer not the upper crust management. If the customer is not happy they will go someplace else. No customers= no business.
Example from one of the other posts: as a customer, if you want a stick in your truck then you should get one, right? Not be forced to put up with the "crap-0-matic" that will let you down when you actually use your truck like a truck and not like a car. Not to mention the fuel econ. difference.
I guess they had better get their priorities straight before it is too late. just my .02.
Just looked at some '08's today. Prices were good but financing was crap! I guess you have to pay cash to really get a good deal. What the hell's the point getting $10,000 off if you have to repay that same amount in interest. When I bought my Dodge they gave me a great price and 0% financing for 60 months. Ford will give me 2.9%, but only if I pay for 36 mos. and then they won't deal. I wonder why they can't sell trucks!
In comparison to Dodge and GM, they're actually doing a better job of staying afloat. The glut of trucks is an industry wide problem. Cash is always king.
My 1997 F350 Crewcab Dually sold new for $21655.00. Ten years later a like equipped 2007 F350 sells for $44000.00. And up...It's gotta stop somewhere. I think it's time for Detroit to restructure. From top to bottom. The question is....are the auto workers willing to take pay and benefit cuts in order to preserve their jobs? The CEO's claim they'll work for a dollar a year. (Like we really believe that) The days of wages equivalent to $80.00 an hour (with benefits) are over I think. I don't make that kind of money, do you?
Thought about that for awhile.
A new vehicle costs a years wages always has and seems always will.
Thought about that for awhile.
A new vehicle costs a years wages always has and seems always will.
This is a point I want to dig a bit deeper. There is a recent post by badbart stating he paid $21655 in 1997, now 44k. This is 7.3 % yearly appreciation / inflation. I wonder if wages have been adjusted that much. A number of 3-4 % looks more realistic to me. Therefore a new truck should be 30k not 44k.
Also I can remember a post saing a fully equipped F series was much less than 10 k in 1985 or so. This would be some 8 %.
No argument that current rigs cannot be compared to these old models. Much more features but much less handmade parts and much much more parts coming from China or other low cost countries.
This is a point I want to dig a bit deeper. There is a recent post by badbart stating he paid $21655 in 1997, now 44k. This is 7.3 % yearly appreciation / inflation. I wonder if wages have been adjusted that much. A number of 3-4 % looks more realistic to me. Therefore a new truck should be 30k not 44k.
Also I can remember a post saing a fully equipped F series was much less than 10 k in 1985 or so. This would be some 8 %.
No argument that current rigs cannot be compared to these old models. Much more features but much less handmade parts and much much more parts coming from China or other low cost countries.
Jim
It seems that they are buying cheaper parts (China,etc.) and paying much higher labor (UAW).
This is a point I want to dig a bit deeper. There is a recent post by badbart stating he paid $21655 in 1997, now 44k. This is 7.3 % yearly appreciation / inflation. I wonder if wages have been adjusted that much. A number of 3-4 % looks more realistic to me. Therefore a new truck should be 30k not 44k.
Jim
It's called GREED. The car companies and the UAW for years were taking as much as they could get, and we were stupid enough to keep paying their ridiculous prices. Now it's finally caught up with them and our own government wants to bail them out! Poor business practices should not be rewarded. I think I'll just keep my Dodge and hope the Big 3 are forced to file Ch. 11 and restructure. Then, maybe they will be able to start selling trucks at a decent price again.
My 1997 F350 Crewcab Dually sold new for $21655.00.
$21655?????? How did a 1997 F350 XLT Crew Cab Dually, 7.3 Powerstroke, 4:10 gears sell for $21655 when a regular cab XLT PSD SRW sold for $32310?
I just looked at my "Window sticker" and that's what my '97 truck sold for. The XLT option which you have too was $3360 for my truck. $4265 for the PSD and $970 for the Auto transmission. Then there were a few other minor options.
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$21655?????? How did a 1997 F350 XLT Crew Cab Dually, 7.3 Powerstroke, 4:10 gears sell for $21655 when a regular cab XLT PSD SRW sold for $32310?
I just looked at my "Window sticker" and that's what my '97 truck sold for. The XLT option which you have too was $3360 for my truck. $4265 for the PSD and $970 for the Auto transmission. Then there were a few other minor options.
Sorry, my bad, $21655.00 was the BASE price. With all options retail was $31850.00. But still, $12000.00 is quite an increase in 10 years. Over 25%...
Just to note that they are doing these packages because it makes the trucks cheaper to build and makes the assembly line move faster.
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Just to note that they are doing these packages because it makes the trucks cheaper to build and makes the assembly line move faster.
I understand the logic....but I still long for the "good old days". In 1969 you could order a Camaro with a 250 ci six, a 307 v8, several versions of the 350, three different 396's, and a 427 (COPO).
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