V-10 vs 6.0 Diesel milage

[dennisj2003]

Originally Posted by Pappy19

You smoke blowers need to stay on your own topic forums. If you haven't driven a new V-10 with torqueshift tranny, then you can't comment with credability. Next time you change your oil at $100 plus, just think of my gasser at $19. Then there's the .50 cent + difference in fuel costs, etc. Even towing every day, my V-10 is no slouch.

This dont count but my oil change only costs $17.50. the oil is free.
But with that said I am really happy with my 04 6.0 PSD. One turbo under warranty so far 57,000 miles, I am getting 15 mpg around town and 16 to 17mpg highway empty, loaded I have not really checked yet but it isnt to much less.
Pappy I have seen the V10s in action a new 08 at my work place and you are right but I will put mine up against it any time.
Yes these PSD do cost more to buy, operate, and maintain, but with a little work will out last the V10.
Just my 2Cnts gassers are not built to pull for years. Just like race cars get there engines rebuilt after every race, The diesel race vehicles dont.

[Pappy19]

Unfortunately for the 6.0's, once they hit 100k (or less), they start having big problems. While the V-10, I have seen more of them go and go after 100k with only an oil change @ 3,000 miles intervals and fuel filter every 15-20k. A 7.3 might give me a hard time with longivity, not the 6.0. No one is sure about the 6.4 at this stage. I'd venture to bet that there are (and will be in the future) more V-10's that go over 100k with no problems than there will be for the 6.0's, better known as the 6-leakers.

[CZDiesel]

Not true Pappy! I don't want to start a pissing contest here and I know the 6.0 has had its share of problems. More that Ford should have had to deal with in such a well made truck. But I can guarantee you that more 6.0's than not have well over a 100k service life. And if you really think that the V-10's are better tools to pull heavy with, well you need to stop drinking the CoolAid! The forum was about gas mileage between the two not about your opinion of the service life of the 6.0. In addition to being a better tower than the v-10 the 6.0 will also get quite a bit better gas mileage. Now if the cost of the diesel will be offset by the better mileage is another debate. I doubt it will, but if you factor in that it is a better tool to tow with and has a longer service life (even if you dispute this fact) most will lean to the diesel! And thats a fact!

[dennisj2003]

I have two friends here that have over 100,000. I just checked to verify the milage on an 03 with the 6.0 at 148,000 only one turbo and one altenator, two batteries.
The other is an 04 with 284,000 used in a logging company next door to me.
yes it has been in the shop a few time for a couple injectors, glow plugs, ac quit working and a intercooler. all fixed under warranty he bought extended warranty, but it has been out now for 84,000.
Like I said though there are problems with all vehicles, and the 6.0 has had a few but I will still put mine up against any gasser.

[LSchicago2]

I have a 05 F450 6.0 with 87,000 miles. 2 transmissions, head gaskets, 3 sets of injectors, 3 alternators, 6 batteries, 1 HPOP, 1 IPR, 1 EGR cooler, 1 oil cooler, one tensioner, 3 belts, 1 degas bottle, a bunch of other stuff I can't even remember like intercooler tubes & misc. AND IT'S OVERHEATING AGAIN! I've ordered my new V10 to replace it with. In the last 2 1/2 years, my V10 truck only had a coil pack & a clutch master go bad. I can't wait to get my new V10, because I would not keep this POS 6.0 past 100K. LS

[CZDiesel]

Originally Posted by LSchicago2

I have a 05 F450 6.0 with 87,000 miles. 2 transmissions, head gaskets, 3 sets of injectors, 3 alternators, 6 batteries, 1 HPOP, 1 IPR, 1 EGR cooler, 1 oil cooler, one tensioner, 3 belts, 1 degas bottle, a bunch of other stuff I can't even remember like intercooler tubes & misc. AND IT'S OVERHEATING AGAIN! I've ordered my new V10 to replace it with. In the last 2 1/2 years, my V10 truck only had a coil pack & a clutch master go bad. I can't wait to get my new V10, because I would not keep this POS 6.0 past 100K. LS

How in gods name have you gone through "3 sets of batteries, 3 alternators, 3 belts, a belt tensioner, and 2 transmissions"????????????? Don't know about this LS? I think I'm gonna have to call the BS card on this one. These are parts that are as durable as they come. If they are going out it is probably due to gross abuse and not Fords manufacturer quality!

[LSchicago2]

Originally Posted by CZDiesel

How in gods name have you gone through "3 sets of batteries, 3 alternators, 3 belts, a belt tensioner, and 2 transmissions"????????????? Don't know about this LS? I think I'm gonna have to call the BS card on this one. These are parts that are as durable as they come. If they are going out it is probably due to gross abuse and not Fords manufacturer quality!

Call BS all you want, it's the truth! First set of batteries lasted 8 months. Second set was Optimas, lasted 2 years. Now on the third set. Replaced factory alt with brand new, at 39K. Pulley worked loose at 54K, replaced with rebuilt, which went again at 82K. Actually my fourth alt. on it now. All my aux lighting, and running lights are LED, so no big elecric drains from lights. As for the belt, it also operates a hydraulic pump, so not Fords fault, but the fourth belt is now on it. First trans was Fords famous snap ring that failed at 32K, replaced with brand new 06 trans. That one the converter went bad at 56K sending junk all through the trans, so rebuilt with a Suncoast kit & PI converter, and no problem since. I guess the head gaskets & 3 sets of injectors you believe, as you didn't include in your "BS flag" I've always liked the diesels, but got to go back to gas for now. I can't and won't deal with this again. LS

[dirtcurt]

One thing your forgetting is like 4x4, the diesel will bring more money and sell quicker when you finally sell it for a new one. Just go look at a ragged out 2wd and a ragged out 4x4 the 4x4 will always be $1000 more. Same with the diesel.

If Ford had done the Torqueshift with a 7.3(I do miss the 7.3) it would have been the perfect combo. My 6.0 gets good milage pulling 16k but the trans is the dealmaker. My home is at 300ft. Around here most hills take me to 5-6k feet and anything east goes to 8k-10k in 50 miles, that's when the turbo shines. As a matter of fact I think they start to run better higher up. Gassers don't.

[dennisj2003]

Originally Posted by LSchicago2

Call BS all you want, it's the truth! First set of batteries lasted 8 months. Second set was Optimas, lasted 2 years. Now on the third set. Replaced factory alt with brand new, at 39K. Pulley worked loose at 54K, replaced with rebuilt, which went again at 82K. Actually my fourth alt. on it now. All my aux lighting, and running lights are LED, so no big elecric drains from lights. As for the belt, it also operates a hydraulic pump, so not Fords fault, but the fourth belt is now on it. First trans was Fords famous snap ring that failed at 32K, replaced with brand new 06 trans. That one the converter went bad at 56K sending junk all through the trans, so rebuilt with a Suncoast kit & PI converter, and no problem since. I guess the head gaskets & 3 sets of injectors you believe, as you didn't include in your "BS flag" I've always liked the diesels, but got to go back to gas for now. I can't and won't deal with this again. LS

First of all Its still aux lighting and yes most leds do use the same amount of power because of flashers and othe electronic parts it takes to run them.
The injectors are a sign the fuel filters are not changed enough 15,000 miles or less, or low fuel pressure. the tranny Yes ford did make a boo boo there.
The old 7.3 was a more forgiving engine but the new laws and other BS is getting all the auto makers tied down, and having someone else build engines for you only complcates things more International has been around for a long time and build good engines.
But they took a 363 engine and beefed it up for ford to a 365 then ford added some of their own tweeking to get the 325 rated hp from a 275 hp engine and International is bucking ford on warranty.

[LSchicago2]

Fuel filters changed every 10,000, oil & filter every 4,000. My Lightbar uses 6 amps, vs. about 35 amps for a rotator bar, or 12 for strobes. I understand that this is not Fords equipment, but, my 94 PSD, 2000 PSD, & 03 V10, never went through more than 1 alternator each, and the factory batteries lasted a minimum of 2-3 years (not 8 months). All have been kept a lot more miles, and had less efficient lighting. I have come to a point where I realize that the maintenance on these engines is just not worth it. We originally bought diesels because they required less maintenance, and got 50% better economy. That's not true anymore. My 6.0 gets 8 mpg in the city, my old 7.3's always got 10. The smart choice has shifted from the diesel, to the V10. I am not alone in switching, a LOT of guys are now switching to the unbelievably reliable V10. I won't switch back to diesel until fuel economy, reliability, and ease of repair return. I'm done.

[JimmyDee]

Originally Posted by dennisj2003

First of all Its still aux lighting and yes most leds do use the same amount of power because of flashers and other electronic parts it takes to run them.

Not true. The only LEDs that take the same current are the ones that are loaded with an additional resister to make a turn signal flasher work. The LEDs take very little power in comparison to the regular bulbs.
Jim

[CZDiesel]

Originally Posted by LSchicago2

I have come to a point where I realize that the maintenance on these engines is just not worth it. We originally bought diesels because they required less maintenance, and got 50% better economy. That's not true anymore. My 6.0 gets 8 mpg in the city, my old 7.3's always got 10. The smart choice has shifted from the diesel, to the V10. I am not alone in switching, a LOT of guys are now switching to the unbelievably reliable V10. I won't switch back to diesel until fuel economy, reliability, and ease of repair return. I'm done.

Sorry LS, But I'm still gonna have to call BS here! Yes a Diesel with cost a little more to maintain. Oil changes cost 2-1/2 times more than a gasser and you also have to change the fuel filters more often at a higher cost. But the Diesel will last twice as long under much harder use.
And I have never heard of a 6.0 that gets 8 mpg in the city???? My 350 with 4.10 rear gearing pulling a 12000lb trailer up a 9500ft mountain gets 10. It also gets 16 unloaded in the city and 18 unloaded on the freeway. Thats a heck of a lot better than a V-10 will give you. Might I say your 50%??? And this is pretty typical of 6.0 mileage, I think thousands more on this site will back that! So what gives LS????
I know that your proud of your V-10 and I would be too but their is no reason to drag down the diesel to brag about your truck. Truth be known, if I could afford a second truck for personal use it would be a gasser and probably a v-10. But not for work and not for pulling, thats for sure, NEVER!

[LSchicago2]

Originally Posted by CZDiesel

Sorry LS, But I'm still gonna have to call BS here! Yes a Diesel with cost a little more to maintain. Oil changes cost 2-1/2 times more than a gasser and you also have to change the fuel filters more often at a higher cost. But the Diesel will last twice as long under much harder use.
And I have never heard of a 6.0 that gets 8 mpg in the city???? My 350 with 4.10 rear gearing pulling a 12000lb trailer up a 9500ft mountain gets 10. It also gets 16 unloaded in the city and 18 unloaded on the freeway. Thats a heck of a lot better than a V-10 will give you. Might I say your 50%??? And this is pretty typical of 6.0 mileage, I think thousands more on this site will back that! So what gives LS????
I know that your proud of your V-10 and I would be too but their is no reason to drag down the diesel to brag about your truck. Truth be known, if I could afford a second truck for personal use it would be a gasser and probably a v-10. But not for work and not for pulling, thats for sure, NEVER!

Ok, I'll bite one more time. I'm not talking about oil changes & filters, I'm talking about hard parts. Injectors, head gaskets (yes my cab was off) and any repairs to the engines. Do you know a 6.4 out of warranty is over $20,000 to replace? I can replace a whole V10 engine for the cost of a 6.0's head gaskets. And I'm sure your pickup does get 18 on the highway. F450's DO NOT. Show me one F450-F550 that weighs over 11,000 empty that gets 18 mpg, YOU CAN'T! Your F350 probably weighs 7700# empty, my F450 weighs 11,400 empty. There are huge differences between our trucks. I don't know what town you live in, but here in Chicago, we have a lot of traffic. My 50 gallon tank lasts 400 miles to empty give or take 10 miles everytime. I write down my mileage on my diesel reciepts to prove it! And yes my F450 can get 13 on the highway, driven at 65 with the 4.30's, but I don't drive it on the highway for any distance. My V10 F450 wieghs about 12,000# empty and gets 6.5 around town and 10.7 straight highway, so the V10 costs a few cents more per mile to drive. A small price for reliability. And as far as bragging about the V10 being reliable, deal with it! (This is the V10 forum) I'm sorry that you can't brag about your 6.0, I can't either. I really did like it in the begining though. And my new V10 is setup to haul more weight than my 6.0, but 80% of the time only haul a single car or motorcycle around. I have seen an increase in class 2-5 trucks broken down, and with all the trucks I tow lately, I had to go from a 4,000# pound wheel lift/7,500# tow bed to a 6,000# wheel lift, and 20,000# tow bed rating. I'll deal with the slightly worse mpg & torque, at least I'll be able to afford to keep it when it comes out of warrantee. My 6.0 warranee is almost up, and that's why I'm trading now. I hope this clears your mind some, about the mpg's.

P.S. Posts like these are part of the reason I switched: just lost my 4th 6.4 motor in less than a year

[CZDiesel]

I don't have a problem with you LS. If your happy with your V-10 Great! I think they are great motors. I really do. Its just very tiresome reading all the negative posts about the 6.0! And most from people who have modded their diesel then complained when it broke???? And I can brag about my 6.0. 80000 miles and nothing more than oil changes and fuel filters. Please read the thread "I'm sorry, but I HAVE to ask". You will see a bunch of others like me who love their truck (6.0 and all) and have had little or no issues at all.
And I'm sorry to invade your gasser forum but it was about the mileage between the two and asked which was getting better.

[Carl Lassiter]

Originally Posted by LSchicago2

Your F350 probably weighs 7700# empty, my F450 weighs 11,400 empty.

His 350 is a dually. I doubt there's 3,000lbs difference. Would have thought weights empty would be more like 8,000lbs for DRW 350 and 9,500lbs F450 but I'm asssuming you've had your 450 on the scales so know more than me in this regard.(unless it's a chassis cab conv wrecker when it would weigh substantially more)

Remember, you hear many more bad things about engines than good things on a forum. People who have a problem log onto google, those that don't do not and simply go on there merry way often not sharing their good experiences. I've owned several diesels in the past with no issues, same with gassers. Maybe I've been lucky but to tar the Powerstrokes with the failure brush is not loking at the full story. Yes, you get bad ones and when you do it gets really bad but all in all the 6.4L inparticualr seems a solid unit. You've had problems in the past with your oil burners but that doesn't mean other people will.