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Ford follows VW down the drain?
Just when you thought Ford's engineers couldn't mess up:
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Well... when you want to move 30K lbs down the road, and the EPA expect the air coming out the tailpipe to be used to fill oxygen tanks at the hospital plus increases the bar for the manufactures average "fleet mileage" it's hard to expect any different result.
It would be so great if all diesel truck manufacturers big and small could find enough foreign market to divert all of their production to until their is a mass shortage of trucks in the country then when the Walmart shelves are running empty, the tree huggers and the manufacturers could sit down and figure out a realistic plan for the future.
It would be so great if all diesel truck manufacturers big and small could find enough foreign market to divert all of their production to until their is a mass shortage of trucks in the country then when the Walmart shelves are running empty, the tree huggers and the manufacturers could sit down and figure out a realistic plan for the future.
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How many diesel truck owners (article said they brought the suit) are that concerned about emissions that they would initiate a company damaging suit? Or maybe it was the lawyers looking for a giant payday (they'll get paid win or lose). 
Or maybe it was jealous Ram-Cummins owners.

Or maybe it was jealous Ram-Cummins owners.

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If it was the Rammers, that would be the height of hypocrisy. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Dodge that wasn’t smoking...
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So what does this mean to us owners at this point? VW owners got their vehicles repaired to comply with emissions standards or bought back cars that could not meet those standards and some were compensated between $7000-$16000.
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Notice that it isn't the EPA or California CARB that is bring the suit but private owners with a ambulance chaser law firm that brought it.
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It would be so great if all diesel truck manufacturers big and small could find enough foreign market to divert all of their production to until their is a mass shortage of trucks in the country then when the Walmart shelves are running empty, the tree huggers and the manufacturers could sit down and figure out a realistic plan for the future.
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Yeah, then they could go back to the days (not that I'm old) that quite a few 18 wheelers pulling the legal 80,000 gross weight were powered by the huge gas engines like Hall-Scotts, Continentals, Ford 534 (543?) and IH's. With the one or two MPG that would do wonders for the consumer and trucking industry. Plus it was said the gas engine belly dumps would make 3 rounds while the Cummins 335 powered trucks would make 5. I remember Hadley Auto Transport who hauled Fords from the factory had all gas engines in their huge fleet of semis.
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Yes, very clean burning and quiet.

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A v12-71 with twin turbos would haul a$$ even back in the 70's
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If you read the article linked to in the first post, it says that VW, General Motors, Fiat Chrysler, Cummins, and Ford have all been caught with the illegal software for diesel engines. I think that Mercedes and BMW are in on it also. The diesel VWs are being bought back by VW at a cost of $30 billion. They are being shipped to third world countries that have no pollution control requirements. It is yet to be seen if General Motors, Fiat Chrysler, Cummins, and Ford will be required to buy back all diesel vehicles and either crush them or ship them to third world countries. The other option is to modify them to make them comply, but apparently that would result in such a great loss in performance as well as mpg that they would be unusable.
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VW and Audi just this month received permission to start selling the affected diesels. Apparently they reached some sort of agreement with the EPA that included fines and approved reprogramming of the engine. I know this because I just brought home a bouncing baby 3 liter TDI a couple days ago. Oh, and no loss of performance. That thing outstrips the gasser equivalent in the quarter mile and the 0-60. The gasser will go 3 MPH faster on the top end, but I can live with 155 MPH. And 40 MPG isn't hurting my feelings any.
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But then the other side of the coin is that EPA gov't regs have gotten so unrealistic and strict that you can't blame the engine mfgrs for trying to get by with what little "cheating" they can. A friend drives a belly dump for the county with a new Cummins powered tractor and he says if you don't beat the engine to death demanding max power and RPM you can have a full load on and it will suddenly go into regeneration and you sit by the side of the road for 20 minutes while it does its thing. Must be wonderful in big city freeway traffic where you're not under max power most of the time. A heavy equipment E-mag I saw the other day says the same thing applies to loaders, dozers, and other heavy equipment. Evidently that's what goes on with the wonderful 6.0 liter Ford pickups too. I took an offramp in Billings, MT a couple years ago and on the overpass was a old rancher pulling a stock trailer with a confused look on his face as he was blocking one lane, truck sitting there idling with a flame shooting out the tailpipe as I eased by him.
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Evidently that's what goes on with the wonderful 6.0 liter Ford pickups too. I took an offramp in Billings, MT a couple years ago and on the overpass was a old rancher pulling a stock trailer with a confused look on his face as he was blocking one lane, truck sitting there idling with a flame shooting out the tailpipe as I eased by him.
Now it did happen on some 6.4's and early 6.7's, iirc.
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