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VHF vs CB

I need a bit of education here...

I was browsing around for a CB (for off road/logging road) when a found that apparently people don't really use CB anymore but use VHF. What is the difference between the 2 ????

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Is that another more modern name for HAM?


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Is that another more modern name for HAM?
Do you mean they are the same but VHF is the newer version?

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Licensing.
CB don't need a license and VHF need one ?

Are both use the same channel? can a CB communicate with VHF? is equipment are the same but different unit?

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Don't know anything about the VHF, but you don't need a license for a CB. And when I hauled logs IIRC log trucks used 6, not the usual highway channel. Of course that may depend on what part of the country you're in too.

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If you're in the USA...CB frequencies are about 29 MHz. VHF is a frequency range and is usually considered to be 50MHz up to about 300MHz. Above that is UHF. CB is usually AM and most VHF and UHF is FM. Except for the FRS (Family Radio Service) band, which is VHF, you need a license from the FCC. CB requires no license. There are other technical differences as well.

Amateur radio operators (hams) are licensed and have frequencies in both VHF and UHF. Public service (police, fire, etc) and military also use VHF and UHF and will get VERY irritated of you try to use their frequencies.

If you're in Canada, it's similar. I don't know details about Canadian licensing requirements but I think you'll need a license for anything other than CB.

Don't try to operate without a license if you're supposed to have one. In the US, the FCC will really **** on you. I image the same is true in Canada.

Stick to CB and you'll probably be OK.
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If you're in the USA...CB frequencies are about 29 MHz. VHF is a frequency range and is usually considered to be 50MHz up to about 300MHz. Above that is UHF. CB is usually AM and most VHF and UHF is FM. Except for the FRS (Family Radio Service) band, which is VHF, you need a license from the FCC. CB requires no license. There are other technical differences as well.

Amateur radio operators (hams) are licensed and have frequencies in both VHF and UHF. Public service (police, fire, etc) and military also use VHF and UHF and will get VERY irritated of you try to use their frequencies.

If you're in Canada, it's similar. I don't know details about Canadian licensing requirements but I think you'll need a license for anything other than CB.

Don't try to operate without a license if you're supposed to have one. In the US, the FCC will really **** on you. I image the same is true in Canada.

Stick to CB and you'll probably be OK.
this is good info thanks.

I'm not to concern about the license because I'm in the military and the new job require the use of the VHF so I will attend the course in a couple week.

just to confirm in my own language, CB and VHF can't communicate to each other. VHF will have more range because of the MHz? and VHF need the license.

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this is good info thanks.

I'm not to concern about the license because I'm in the military and the new job require the use of the VHF so I will attend the course in a couple week.

just to confirm in my own language, CB and VHF can't communicate to each other. VHF will have more range because of the MHz? and VHF need the license.
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VHF sets are usually marine radios and can operate up to 25 watts. So they have more range than CB sets which are limited to 5W (legally). They can't talk to each other.

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That's not necessarily true. VHF is typically line of sight and power doesn't necessarily make much difference. Sometimes you can talk around the world on the CB band with only 5 watts. And sometimes you can't get more than a mile or so on 50 watts on VHF. And VHF is a very general term, it covers a huge frequency range, a few hundred megahertz...CB is a specific band about a megahertz wide (and I misspoke, it's 27 MHz, not 29). There are many services that use VHF...hams, marine, aviation, public service, military, FRS, etc...all with different frequency allocations...so just saying 'VHF' is not very specific. But you'll need a license for almost any of it (or be covered by a license of your employer).

To communicate, both radios have to be using the same frequency so, no, CB and 'VHF' can't talk to each other, they use vastly different frequencies (not to mention that CB is AM and almost all 'VHF' is FM).

What exactly are you wanting to do and who do you want to talk to? AFAIK, truckers still use CB.

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What exactly are you wanting to do and who do you want to talk to? AFAIK, truckers still use CB.

Mostly it is when hunting. If we enter active logging road, i need to know if a logging truck is coming down so i can get the hell out of his way. Also for fishing and camping as i go to remote location and good for emergency.

I was planning on a CB but for any reason, one guy i know said to get a VHF cause CB don't reach to far



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I believe OTR trucks still use Ch 17. And if my mind isn't shot emergency channel is 9.
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Mostly it is when hunting. If we enter active logging road, i need to know if a logging truck is coming down so i can get the hell out of his way. Also for fishing and camping as i go to remote location and good for emergency.

I was planning on a CB but for any reason, one guy i know said to get a VHF cause CB don't reach to far
You'd have to know what frequency they were on to be able to hear them...what CB channel or what VHF frequency. A scanner might work for that but you'd still have to have some idea. 'VHF' is a huge range of frequencies. If you don't know exactly what frequency the other guy is using it's like dialing a random telephone number and hoping you get who you want to talk to.

You can't count on the range on either one. Out in the mountains neither one has much range unless you're in sight of a VHF repeater and those are mostly all ham stations or other services that you'd need a license for. And you still have to know the frequencies.

I think you need to know some more specific info before you can get what you need.

If you're really out in the boonies, satellite phones are about your only reliable option for emergencies and even then they won't always work (and they're really expensive). Guys I know who travel in some really remote areas use SPOT trackers (google it). There are several versions but they require paid subscriptions.

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When entering an active logging road, you have the channel that they use on a big sign so no issue with that.

Thanks for the info I think I'll stick with a CB option


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Right, and if not it's easy enough to find out. And after hauling logs in some of the steepest windiest mountain roads in the west I found a regular CB had PLENTY of reach. Contact was never a problem. Later for 2 summers after retirement I drove a dump truck hauling hazardous mine waste. 30 trucks up and down a single land mountain dirt road 3.1 miles long 12 trips/day, nothing but switchbacks and small turnouts with numbered signs at every blind switchback. "3 up at 14" from a lead truck meant he and 2 behind him were nearing turn 14 so downhill empty trucks near there hunted a turnout quickly. Nerve-racking as Hell, as another driver said, it was'nt the driving that was tiring, it was paying close attention to the CB all day. Still got some neat pics of that nightmare.
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