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Old 06-23-2019, 05:45 PM Thread Starter
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Excursion bottoming out

First post and I have to say thanks as I have been a reader for years and you all have helped me make good decisions on repairs / upgrades and saved me literally 10's of thousands of dollars.

Now to my first post that I can't really find anything on.

My 01 Ex Powerstroke 4x4 seems to be bottoming out more and more. I just installed new bump stops on the front as a matter of good measure. They were gone anyway and needed replacement.

With the bump stops I still have several inches between the bump stop and axle. Shocks are about 25k old. Look ok from the outside.

Springs have a slight frown; which I understand is normal. Nothing else is visually jumping out at me as a problem.

I see road dips ahead and clench my teeth knowing what the truck is gonna do.

Any ideas or help? I'm stock with my suspension. No lift etc. No real towing except for people.

Thanks again!
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:38 AM
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You might try new shocks, but they really shouldn't affect bottoming that much. Your springs may have sagged a bit over time and may need to be replaced.
Springs are the first thing mentioned in the troubleshooting for front end bottoming. Second is the bumpers that you've already replaced.
The specs call for a front ride height of 4.44 inches for your truck, measured from the top of the spring mount to the bottom of the frame (top of the bump stop).

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If you find there are no other problems with your suspension, Have you looked at Timbrens? They take up the full distance between frame and axle. I put them on my F350 because I’m adding the weight of a snow plow out front—- but you can read about them on below link.

https://www.sdtrucksprings.com/timbr.../suv/excursion

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Does anyone have feedback or help for me? Please.
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If you find there are no other problems with your suspension, Have you looked at Timbrens? They take up the full distance between frame and axle. I put them on my F350 because I’m adding the weight of a snow plow out front—- but you can read about them on below link.

https://www.sdtrucksprings.com/timbr.../suv/excursion

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The more I ponder this; I wonder if I am better off fixing what "seems" like is broken. Worn leaf springs. Although I don't see them as really bad, the fact is they are probably soft and tired. 226,000 care driven miles on this boy.

Unless someone really objects to this line of thinking, would stock springs be adequate? I made it this far on stockers and despite my intentions, I really don't see me hitting another 226,000 miles on this truck. Thoughts?

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The stock excursion leafs were weenie level 1 from the factory. Upgrading to X code or even V code springs was considered a necessity.


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"Weenie" LOL

Well - as a matter of taking the right step and since I am not a suspension guru; what is the difference in X code and V code springs? What does the F250 SD use?

As long as I'm on the subject - just replace the springs and bearings?

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Excursion bottoming out

Each code corresponds to a carrying capacity with correlating spring height. Here’s an article that lists some of the codes. Looks like V codes are out.

https://www.sdtrucksprings.com/ford-...h-f250-springs

I would check your tie rod ends at the same time and maybe even ball joints.

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Looks live V codes are pretty much non-existent. If you are really wanting them you will pay almost 3 times the cost of X codes!

X codes are ordered and on the way. I also found this guys post which I will reference:

2000 Ford Excursion V-Code Leaf Spring Installation pictures, videos, and sounds | SuperMotors.net

I'll report back when I have hopefully got this tackled and the project complete.

Appreciate the quick responses and help. Wish me luck!
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First is the spring replacement. I have U codes up front and it rides great. The factory EX spring is D code. Spring codes are listed in the divers door sticker. Mine is DS I think D up front S in the rear.

Also, Get rid of those bump stops. Those look like some Energy Suspension ones that I installed on my EX. It sounded and felt horrible. They have NO give at all. I traded them to a buddy for his stock small rectangular ones from his F350. No more bottoming out.

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Well - the problem is FIXED! X code front springs are on and the truck rides great. I was actually a little worried that it might be too rough. I think it rides smoother and is perfect in handling bumps, dips etc. I would take it another step further to say that I believe the "weenie" stock springs were so bad, that it made the ride bouncy, inconsistent and far worse. Plus they were very tired. Highly recommend the X springs.

Ok - so the installation.... Yeah....

I have a nice set of hand tools but that does not include impact sockets and all that. I muscled the passenger side out and installed the new leaf pack. It was not a fun time. Everything went fine until the front leaf bolt. OMGOSH. Looking back - I would have paid someone to do this with the right tools. I never quit, but coming off shoulder surgery and getting ready for a second surgery this week; I just should not have attempted it. If you have impact tools, you should be fine. I didn't. Plus a bad shoulder. Plus it was hot and a bazillion degrees of muggy!

Long story short - mission success on the passenger side. Thanks to my friends at Frame and Axle Services in Butler, WI - they did the drivers side perfect.

The Ex definitely sits up like a big boy now. For sure need to level this thing out with rear springs. I'll start that process next.

BTW - truck didn't come close to touching the bump stops while I was driving it around. The problem is the springs. Everything else is a band aide.
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With X Codes on the front; what should I put on the rear?
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If it rides ok, I would put a block in the rear, or better yet - air bags. Here's the set I have - https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They have greatly improved my ride with the unexpected side effect of raising my rear end about 2 inches. That wasn't my goal - just wanted to keep it level with the trailer hooked up, but my unloaded ride height increased running 5 psi in the bags. Rides so much smoother than it did before.

Do you have the overload spring? (A very thick straight spring on the bottom of the leaves?)

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I would do air bags. I pulled the blocks completely out of my 00 F350 DRW. It lowered the tailgate 5 inches and the truck is always level because I can adjust for load.
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