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Moog vs Motorcraft OEM steering parts

I received all of the Moog Steering parts (minus ball joints) recommended as an overhaul. I noticed the tie rod ends are missing the rod end pins or spring clips (name?) installed on the original tie rod ends. I believe these are intended to keep the rod ends straight or to keep the hardware from loosening.

I am sure others have used Moog parts. Do these rod end pins or spring clips transfer over, are they not required / compatible with Moog or do I need to purchase additional components.

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I am not at home, so these are stock images from the internet, but you can see the “pins” at the threaded end.

Moog parts are shown in the “kit” stock image The “pin” is not present.

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It's Ford's attempt to force alignment techs to obey View B in this diagram:

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But I've never figured out why Ford specifies that, and I've found at least one reason NOT to obey it.

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What was the cost of your Moog parts 'kit'?
Were you happy with the installation?

Did you also install a steering dampener?


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Yes, I also installed a new steering dampener (Bilstein). The steering parts were easy to install and I have been happy with the results. The steering is much tighter. I purchased from RockAuto and the parts were significantly cheaper than the “Moog Kit” advertised as a fix for the death wobble. Keep in mind I didn’t replace the ball joints, but mine didn’t show signs of wear.

As for pricing, see attached order sheet.

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I'm in the process of putting new ball joints, steering link and rod ends in my 2000 F-350. I also am replacing the swaybar rubber and endlinks. I had one upper ball joint that was failing which is what led to this work - truck has about 160k on it. Apparently water gets into the top joints and eventually rust sets in and destroys the joint. My truck is a 2wd unit. Truck only has one "pin" on it and I am transferring it from the old setup to the new one.
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...steering dampener...advertised as a fix for the death wobble.
No, a steering damper doesn't fix anything. It can MASK steering, suspension, & alignment problems, but it doesn't actually fix them or anything else. It only prevents the steering wheel from breaking your wrists when a front tire hits a large obstacle (usually off-road) at speed.


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Understood and agreed. I was just adding that Moog parts I purchased individually front rockauto were less expensive than the kits advertised. Also, wasn’t experiencing the death wobble, just recognized some minor play in a tie rod end and concluded it was time to replace all of it before I got worse.

I am happy with the results; very tight steering, feels like new again. I was worried the steering box might have some play, but I guess any play or wander I might of experienced was a stack up of play across all the components.

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...steering dampener...advertised as a fix for the death wobble.
No, a steering damper doesn't fix anything. It can MASK steering, suspension, & alignment problems, but it doesn't actually fix them or anything else. It only prevents the steering wheel from breaking your wrists when a front tire hits a large obstacle (usually off-road) at speed.
I agree with this, it does not “fix” the root cause of the death wobble but I think it might have the ability to tone down the oscillation in some instances.

But I have not had death wobble. I have only had worn tie rods and drag link and I found the steering stabilizer did improve the sloppiness until I could replace those parts.


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Understood and agreed. I was just adding that Moog parts I purchased individually front rockauto were less expensive than the kits advertised. Also, wasn’t experiencing the death wobble, just recognized some minor play in a tie rod end and concluded it was time to replace all of it before I got worse.

I am happy with the results; very tight steering, feels like new again. I was worried the steering box might have some play, but I guess any play or wander I might of experienced was a stack up of play across all the components.

OJ
Thanks for this info.


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Understood and agreed. I was just adding that Moog parts I purchased individually front rockauto were less expensive than the kits advertised. Also, wasnt experiencing the death wobble, just recognized some minor play in a tie rod end and concluded it was time to replace all of it before I got worse.

I am happy with the results; very tight steering, feels like new again. I was worried the steering box might have some play, but I guess any play or wander I might of experienced was a stack up of play across all the components.

OJ

Same here - I priced out an online Moog shop for the parts and ended up finding the same stuff between Rock Auto and Amazon Prime for quite a bit less money. The convenience of a single order is okay but when you lower the cost by a couple of hundred dollars; multiple shipments and payments are just fine!
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