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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 03-17-2001, 11:34 PM Thread Starter
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Excursion Tail Lights

I noticed that there appears to be an extra tail light area above our brake lights. It appears that this is used for amber turn signals on other vehicles, since we share the assembly with vans and buses. Has anyone taken their tail lights apart to see if there was an open socket and if it could be made to work as additional lighting?
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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

I think if you order the taillight housing for a 1992-1994 Econoline, you can have the amber turn signals. The trailer tow wiring harness is an easy source for turn signal wires.

Also, these taillamp housings are used extensively in the Motorhome and Transit Bus industry, and, believe it or not, there are many cheap knock offs available...same housing, just made in Taiwan or wherever. Believe me, the Motorhome people do NOT order these from Ford. They are too cost conscious. Since the housings have to meet DOT standards, they are more or less the same quality.

Still, I would buy the ones from Ford if I wanted the amber turn signals. In a series of cost cutting deletions for the 1995 or 1996 Econoline, Ford deleted the amber and went with all red.

Excursions use the same tailights, as has been mentioned before.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

[img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] Are you saying that my 2001 Excursion uses the same lense assy as the '92 to '94 Econoline? [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Even if the wiring is not there, it wouldn't be too difficult to run a lead from the traielr harness. I'd love to have the amber turn signals in the rear. I think they look sharp. One of the few things I like about the CH**Y's.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

Take a look at http://www.bgnett.no/~bjornar/truck.html
I had the amber turn signals, but put the US lights back on with 5W marker lights in the top segment and an amber 20W bulb as turn signal in the clear backup light segment. Backup light is now a cheapo tractor worklight (due to it is so prone to trailer hitch damage when hitching alone; I seldom backup up twice to hitch up...)

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

Thanks Bjorn. Interesting..and very nice looking rig. I am wondering if a tail lens assembly exists that has all three sections...red(stop/running), amber(turn), and clear(back-up). Anyone know?

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

I have never liked amber turn signals, but it woudl make the 'Ex look more unique, although only Excursion owners would notice.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Toolman:
I am wondering if a tail lens assembly exists that has all three sections...red(stop/running), amber(turn), and clear(back-up). Anyone know?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. The earlier post was not a guess. It is "known" that the 1992-1994 Econoline taillamp assemblies have all three colors (amber on top, then red, then white).

The Excursion uses the same taillamp assemblies of current body style of Econoline ('92-'01), which, beginning in 1995, are red and white only. That is why it is best to specify '92-'94... to pick up the amber top lens. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

I've been on the lookout for what these tail light assy look like. Haven't seen any 92-94 E's on the road lately. I might take a run by the bone yard to see if they have any wrecked vans .

Has anybody done this change. I assume that I only need to run one additional wire per side....which I can tap off of the trailer harness...piece of cake, eh? Thanks for the info.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

I have the lights that I took off my X in my lap, says:
F7UB-13440-AA (right) and gasket F2UB-13A495
F7UB-13441-AA (left) and gasket F2UB-13A643

A friend with an E-250 gave his taillights a shade of black spray plus clearcoat to mellow the color hue. Looks real nice on his dark blue van.

Check null" TARGET=_blank>http://www.bgnett.no/~bjornar/runevan.htmlnull</A>

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

You should be able to intercept the 3rd brake light wire to use for the brake lights.(It does not flash at any time) & Use the front directional wire for the rear directional.(It only flashes even with brake is applied) This is the plan I will be using in the future for my tail light conversion.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

Guys,
I did the conversion to Econoline lites.

You need to get sockets from a 92-94 econoline for the single filament bulbfor the amber turn.
First cut the wire for the turn lite on the X wiring at each tailite and wire this wire on each side to the positive wire for each new socket. This will then go to the amber section of the lens. Also tie in a ground to the remaining wire of the new socket.this completes the wire change for the turn signals at the rear.
For the brake signal wire you must get to the wiring for the 3rd high mtd brake lite inside the rear headliner.Splice a new wire on to the positive wire for the brake. route this wire to the passenger side and through the rubber gromet in the light mounting area (after removing the lens assy. Wire this to the wire that was left after cutting the turn signal wire from the exsisting socket.Continue to extend this wire down and out of this area and over and up into the left side tailite area and splice it to the other wire in the original socket. This will then give you brake lites.
One more operation remains.Eliminating the amber lites from turning on when brakes are applied. You must remove the cover (upper and lower) surround the steering column to gain access to the turn signal switch (combination switch)in order to cut the brake signal wire that runs from the brake switch thru the turn signal switch contacts to the original stop/turn signal bulbs in the rear. That wire iis located in the top of the column and is color coded light green.
Cut and tape the ends of this wire just prior to it entering the combo switch.
Test the operation before buttoning up.
Brakes should turn on red brake lites(including center high lite)and nothing else.
Turn sig should operate only the amber lens.
Running lites should light the lower intensity red lens.
Emergency flashers only the amber.
Its alot of work just to change something only another "X" ower might notice.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

As someone once said in this forum: "You guys are costing me a lot of money"

So because I believe so firmly in the principle that Amber = Signal and Red = Brakes, I got the bright idea to go for these Econline tail lights. The good news is they look fantastic. Way better than the original red ones and, ironically enough, it makes the back end look less like a van.

The bad news is nobody can get them to work properly. It's now at a Ford dealer and they just told me it can't be done. The signal/brake instructions come together from the gem module and can not be changed.

And the cost is slowly building. First I paid $220 for both tail lights from Ford. Then it turns out I need sockets to connect the amber lights, which I got from Ford for $120 for both. Ouch! So now I'm in $340 [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] and they still don't work.

Any suggestions?

P.S. Just some other info on the small side mirrors that have signals in them. They blink when you signal and hold when you brake. They are red and can not be any other color as the light bulb inside is clear and its the mirror itself that makes the light appear red. Aside from the color, I hope the bulb never burns out because the Ford mechanic told me they have to break the mirror to change the bulb. Way to go, Ford Engineering!

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

My X came with the amber turns, which I took off and put the originals back on. I also added a 3-watt bulb in the top section as a marker light.
As for signal separation; mine came nicely done for me, but I know they only changed the wiring in the column (as mentioned here) but that fixed both the brake and turn signals.

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Re: Excursion Tail Lights

I knew you guys would know how to get this done.

Bjornar: I'd love to know how to fix everything through just the steering column. Do you know what they did?

If not, I'll follow Nats step-by-step instructions. Thanks, Nat.

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I am doing the Nat Lancaster tail light swap above - 1994 E250 rear lenses on my 2001 Excursion. Everything has gone well. I'm at the last step of getting to the wires in the steering column to clip a light green wire. Upon opening plastic column covers, there are way more light green wires than I anticipated, and I'm finally at an age where I don't want to jump in with the clippers just yet. I would love some guidance. Thanks - I would have posted a pic for ya, but I don't see that button either.
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