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post #16 of 75 (permalink) Old 03-26-2014, 09:17 AM
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4x4Given, how long have you been using this app? Are there any issues you've had with it?
I've been tinkering with it for about a year. Been using Android phones for about 4 years (T-Mobile). I've just recently started to take more an interest in the truck, since we sold our previous RV (36' TT) and got the new 5th wheel, last October. It tows really nice, but you do know you're towing. It's 40' and 14,000+ lbs.

My truck has only had a single warranty repair, replaced the EGR valve at 122,000 miles, but did have all regular maintenance before I bought it at 148,000 miles. It was 2 years old and had 3,200 hrs on the clock. It was a Enterprise Car Rental car hauler. All it did was tow and run down the highway. A lot.

But it was exceptionally clean, all records, completely stock, except for a B&W Gooseneck setup and ran and drove perfectly. I was a mechanic for about 20 years and I gave it a very thorough check over. I am very well aware of the "reputation" of the 6.0L and felt that a 2007 (mfg 06/06) would be a pretty solid tow rig.

Well, flash forward 4.5 years and I've now got 180,000 miles on it and it has been pretty darn good. Degas bottle is as clean as new, no leaks, no smoke, runs great.

But... it is a 6.0L and I am now monitoring it for "signs". And right now, it has none.

And, we are about to begin the "bullet proof" process, BEFORE (hopefully) things happen.

I'm a HUGE fan of running pretty close to stock. I expect it will be kept that way, but make improvements to various items that have a history of questionable reliability.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the truck, though I would LOVE to have a 2011 or newer unit. Problem is, mine is paid for (paid $15,000) and I can't see shelling out $35,000+ for a good used 2011. Put a few grand into improving my already good truck, and have a great, paid for truck that will last me the rest of my life.
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post #17 of 75 (permalink) Old 03-26-2014, 09:59 AM Thread Starter
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There's no problem with having a truck that's paid off, especially if it still runs like the day you bought it. Glad to see another TP user, its not everyday you run into people using this setup but its what you get when modern technology meets automotive. Even though it may not currently facilitate the features that high-end performance monitors do, EGT temp/Fuel Psi, or live up to the rep that all the other monitors do, its still extremely reliable. And if you truly intend on keep it stock, the need for those parameters is unnecessary as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure someone reading this forum would agree that if you're running a 6.0L stock that EGT probe isn't required, especially if you've made the important upgrades that are suggested throughout TDS.com for 6.0's.

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I agree and EGT and Fuel Pressure are on my list. I'm thinking this is how I'm going to go:

EGT / Fuel PSI / ??? (whatever is "critical" that Torque Pro cannot monitor)
(not my truck and I don't have woodgrain, but I do have the gray interior)



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List of TP canned PIDs plus Ford predefined list as seen on app:

0-100kph Time • 0-100mph Time • 0-200kph Time • 0-30mph Time • 0-60mph Time • 1/4 mile time • 1/8 mile time • 100-0kph Time • 40-60mph Time • 60-0mph Time • 60-120mph Time • 60-130mph Time • 60-80mph Time • 80-100mph Time • 80-120kph Time

ABS - Lateral acceleration • ABS Wheel Speed 1 • ABS Wheel Speed 2 • ABS Wheel Speed 3 • ABS Wheel Speed 4 • Absolute Throttle Position B

Acceleration Sensor(Total) • Acceleration Sensor(X axis) • Acceleration Sensor(Y axis) • Acceleration Sensor(Z axis)

Accelerator Pedal Position • Accelerator PedalPosition D • Accelerator PedalPosition E • Accelerator Pedal Position F • Actual engine % torque • Air Fuel Ratio(Commanded) • Air Fuel Ration(Messured) • Ambient air temp • Average trip speed(whilst moving only) • Average trip speed(whilst stopped or moving) • Barometer (on Android device) • Barometric pressure (from vehicle) • Battery Voltage • Boost (Ford specific)

Catalyst Temperature (Bank 1, Sensor 1) • Catalyst Temperature (Bank 1, Sensor 2) • Catalyst Temperature (Bank 2, Sensor 1) • Catalyst Temperature (Bank 2, Sensor 2) • Commanded Equivalence Ratio(lambda)

Coolant temperature(From TCM) • Cost per mile/km (Instant) • Cost per mile/km (Trip) • CO2 in g/km (Average) • CO2 in g/km (Instantaneous)

Cylinder 1 Misfire count • Cylinder 2 Misfire count • Cylinder 3 Misfire count • Cylinder 4 Misfire count • Cylinder 5 Misfire count • Cylinder 6 Misfire count • Cylinder 7 Misfire count • Cylinder 8 Misfire count • Cylinder head temperature • Cylinder head temperature(alt)

Distance to empty (Estimated) • Distance travelled since codes cleared • Distance travelled with MIL/CEL lit • DPF Temperature • Drivers demand engine % torque • EGR Commanded • EGR Error • Engine Coolant Temperature • Engine kW (At the wheels) • Engine Load • Engine Load(Absolute) • Engine Oil Temp • Engine Oil Temperature • Engine reference torque • Engine RPM • Ethanol Fuel % • Evap System Vapour Pressure • Exhaust Back Pressure • Exhaust Gas Temperature 1 • Exhaust Gas Temperature 2 • Fan Speed Sensor • FICM Logic Power • FICM Main Power • FICM Vehicle Power

Fuel cost (trip) • Fuel flow rate/hour • Fuel flow rate/minute • Fuel Injector Pulse Width • Fuel Level • Fuel Level (From Engine ECU) • Fuel Pressure • Fuel pump duty cycle • Fuel Rail Pressure • Fuel Rail Pressure (relative to manifold vacuum) • Fuel Rate (direct from ECU) • Fuel Remaining (Calculated from vehicle profile) • Fuel tank pressure • Fuel Trim Bank 1 Long Term • Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 1 • Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 2 • Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 3 • Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 4 • Fuel Trim Bank 1 Short Term • Fuel Trim Bank 2 Long Term • Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 1 • Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 2 • Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 3 • Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 4 • Fuel Trim Bank 2 Short Term • Fuel used (trip)

GPS Accuracy • GPS Altitude • GPS Bearing • GPS Latitude • GPS Longitude • GPS Satellites • GPS vs OBD Speed difference • Horsepower (At the wheels) • Hybrid Battery Charge (%) • IAT2 • Injection Control Pressure • Injector Pressure Regulator Duty Cycle • Injector timing before top dead center • Intake Air Temperature • Intake Manifold Pressure

Kilometers Per Litre(Instant) • Kilometers Per Litre(Average) • Litres Per 100 Kilometer(Instant) • Litres Per 100 Kilometer(Long Term Average) • MAP (Ford specific) • Mass Air Flow Rate • Mass Fuel Desired • Miles Per Gallon(Instant) • Miles Per Gallon(Long Term Average)

O2 Sensor1 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor1 Equivalence Ratio(alternate) • O2 Sensor1 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor2 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor2 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor3 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor3 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor4 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor4 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor5 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor5 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor6 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor6 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor7 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor7 wide-range Voltage • O2 Sensor8 Equivalence Ratio • O2 Sensor8 wide-range Voltage • O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 1 • O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 2 • O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 3 • O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 4 • O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 1 • O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 2 • O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 3 • O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 4

Relative Accelerator Pedal Position • Run time since engine start • Speed (GPS) • Speed (OBD) • Steering wheel angle • Throttle Position (Actual) • Throttle Position (Desired) • Throttle Position(Manifold) • Timing Advance • Torque • Torque converter slip • Torque into Torque Converter • Total number of misfires • Transmission Fluid Temp (Method 1) • Transmission Fluid Temp (Method 2) • Transmission Gear • Transmission Gear (Method 2) • Transmission Temperature(Method 1) • Transmission Temperature(Method 2)

Trip average KPL • Trip average Litres/100 KM • Trip average MPG • Trip Distance • Trip Distance (stored in vehicle profile) • Trip Time(Since journey start) • Trip time(whilst moving) • Trip time(whilst stationary) • Turbo Boost & Vacuum Gauge • VGT Duty Cycle • Voltage (Control Module) • Voltage (OBD Adapter) • Volume Fuel Desired • Volumetric Efficiency (Calculated)

That's all folks.

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That gauge cluster looks awesome there. So my question: is it necessary to have a EGT before & after the turbo (manifold/exhaust) or just before? Cause my old Triple Dog had 2 pryo ports to do just that. Ideally I'd go with a boost gauge for the 3rd gauge on that cluster.. IMO that is

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I really think that pre Turbo is what matters, as post is already leaving the area and has no effect on engine performance or reliability.

I agree on the boost gauge, though from what I've seen the TP app is pretty accurate for that already.
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EGT needs to be measured as close to the exhaust valve as possible. Measurements further downstream are pretty much meaningless. The concern is chamber temperature and the possibility of internal engine damage. The exhaust gasses start to expand and cool as soon as they leave the chamber, so the further away you are the less realistic that measurement is. The common place to install a pyro probe is the LH manifold just aft of the #8 cylinder.

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Thanks, TKO! Glad you clarified that.
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Where is that 3in1 gauge pod from?

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if you decide to go that route let us know. I'm sure we'll be more than willing to share the extended PIDs formulas with you and anyone else for that matter. With that being noted, fellow PSD Torque users including myself will need to collaborate with one another to separate the Powerstroke 6.0L PIDs from the other Ford predefined list because there are multiple versions of certain PIDs. Example, there is a Transmission Fluid Temp (Method 1) & Transmission Fluid Temp (Method 2) and also there is a Transmission Gear & Transmission Gear (Method 2) and there are several cases of parameter differences like these. Sometime today or tomorrow I will try to list all 177 PIDs that Torque Pro combined with the predefined Ford list has to offer.
Thanks, appreciate it.

I think I'm going to try the Engine Link app out. I need to find an OBD/wifi adapter this evening and get it ordered.

Any info you can share would be great.

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Any info you can share would be great.
LYL® Elm327 WIFI Wirless OBD2
Find it on Amazon and it works for iPhone/iPad. Its a wifi OBDII, TP supports wifi as long as your using an Android device. Fellow PSD reviews will indicate the only two issues is that the LED indicator is very bright on it and there is no dedicated off switch for it, so you'll have to unplug it in order for it to not draw any power, according to the reviews that is.

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After hours of searching I might have found the iPhone wireless EGT probe, I'm not sure if it works with Engine Link or Torque, but it IS wifi, so it was designed in mind for the iPhone/iPad.
AEM Power X-WiFi Wideband UEGO & EGT Wireless Gauge Controller

NOW, for the meat and taters.
PLX makes an OBDII bluetooth dongle (which is essentially what we TP users all have) called Kiwi 2 Bluetooth. PLX also makes a device called the PLX SM-EGT, this is an EGT sensor module that can directly connect to the Kiwi 2 BT. So you can now have an EGT reading through TP, but that's not all, you can also daisy chain up to 32 of these SM and be able to display them through TP.

I must be dreaming...

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Dieselmac... where in Texas are you. Im in Georgetown.
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Dieselmac...Where in Texas are you? Im in Georgetown.
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Dieselmac...Where in Texas are you? Im in Georgetown.
Fort Bend County.

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