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Is one 4R100 better than another?

I may be in the market for a new trans and have found several options. Just wondering if the high $$$ versions are worth the price for my application.


I've seen transmissions online for anywhere from $1899.00 to more than $8,000.00! I guess if you were drag racing or pulling competitions there may be a use for an $8,000 but how about us regular guys, I rarely pull over 10,000 lbs but I do go over the mountain passes. From things I've read these are 100,000 mile transmissions regardless of how they are modified or how you use them. If so why spend $4,000 of more on one? I got just over 100,000 on the last one and unless there is an option that will significantly improve upon that I might as well order this: https://www.bestbuytransmission.com/...FciCfgodRJQPVA


Anybody have an experience with a transmission or shop they would like to share?

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The 4r100 isn't a super complicated transmission.

With a better cooler, upgraded clutches, valve body mods, and a quality triple disk converter 200k is very achievable.

I had mine torn apart for a stripped forward drum( my fault, known to happen over 375hp) and the clutches looked brand new after 100k miles.

Then the single disk ford converter took a dump lol.

Do you have any good local shops?

If you do and they don't charge a fortune I'd say have them install raybestos GPZ clutches, good triple disk converter, and a sonnax sure cure kit. That will be a very good and reliable combo.

Or if you don't look into sam wyse. Cncfab is a dealer for him. His stage 1 is 3100 plus shipping. And it's rated for 450hp.

He upgrades the clutch counts, installs a hardened sunshell and a fully splined forward drum. Then the converter is a billet cover DPC triple disk.
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Another option you may want to look at is the HD4R100 from Ford. It has proven to be a pretty good trans option at 400HP and below. It also has a 3 year warranty that spans across the nation to all Ford dealerships.
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I've got a Dieselsite Legendary with billet shafts behind mine, rated for 650hp with current converter. 4th & hopefully last trans in it's lifetime (99 w/280k). I'm at about 400hp & it won't see much if any more. Overbuilt for my needs, but total peace of mind was worth 4 grand & change for me.
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Another option you may want to look at is the HD4R100 from Ford. It has proven to be a pretty good trans option at 400HP and below. It also has a 3 year warranty that spans across the nation to all Ford dealerships.
I have a friend at the local ford dealer who recommended this trans. I doubt they would honor the warranty with everything I have done to my truck but it might be a viable option if it's a solid trans. It would certainly be the easiest route in terms of drop off and pick up vs swapping a tranny myself! Long term I am more concerned with peace of mind pulling the trailer than convenience.

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I've got a Dieselsite Legendary with billet shafts behind mine, rated for 650hp with current converter. 4th & hopefully last trans in it's lifetime (99 w/280k). I'm at about 400hp & it won't see much if any more. Overbuilt for my needs, but total peace of mind was worth 4 grand & change for me.
I was looking at this option as well. Sounds like a well built transmission. Would love to hear about anybody's experience with, or opinion of these!

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My needs in a transmission are very similar to yours and I've thought long and hard on what I should do when the time comes...have it rebuilt or replaced etc. I am leaning towards Ford's HD 4R100 because of their 3 year warranty. I went down and talked with the local Ford service manager because I too was concerned with the mods I have they wouldn't warranty it. He said no problem...even with a chip I am running. If I was you I would talk with your Ford service manager and explain what mods you have and see what he says. 3 years warranty across the nation is hard to beat. Just my 2 cents.

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I have a friend at the local ford dealer who recommended this trans. I doubt they would honor the warranty with everything I have done to my truck but it might be a viable option if it's a solid trans. It would certainly be the easiest route in terms of drop off and pick up vs swapping a tranny myself! Long term I am more concerned with peace of mind pulling the trailer than convenience.
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My needs in a transmission are very similar to yours and I've thought long and hard on what I should do when the time comes...have it rebuilt or replaced etc. I am leaning towards Ford's HD 4R100 because of their 3 year warranty. I went down and talked with the local Ford service manager because I too was concerned with the mods I have they wouldn't warranty it. He said no problem...even with a chip I am running. If I was you I would talk with your Ford service manager and explain what mods you have and see what he says. 3 years warranty across the nation is hard to beat. Just my 2 cents.

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OP, you have pretty basic mods. As long as the tunes are decent quality, you should be just fine with the HD4R100 and it should live a good long life.
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Is anybody familiar with Bullripper transmissions or the Transmission Exchange Co? I just found these guys and they are local, only about 30 minutes from me: Extreme Duty Tow Matrix Ford truck 4R100 Transmission (non-PTO style) 1999-2006

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If your research this topic you will find hundreds of posts. It is probably the most discussed topic on this site.
My 2 cents:
Go BTS or John Woods

If you are stock or have just basic mods, go Ford HD.

When I priced everything out, it made no sense to me to pay almost as much as BTS and not just bite the bullet and get the best.
How much is piece of mind worth to you?

I honestly think anything else is too much of a gamble.

FYI- I don't regret my decision at all.
Even my wife commented how the truck gets going so much faster now.
I went with the 6.0 cooler at the same time.

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If your research this topic you will find hundreds of posts. It is probably the most discussed topic on this site.
My 2 cents:
Go BTS or John Woods

If you are stock or have just basic mods, go Ford HD.

When I priced everything out, it made no sense to me to pay almost as much as BTS and not just bite the bullet and get the best.
How much is piece of mind worth to you?

I honestly think anything else is too much of a gamble.

FYI- I don't regret my decision at all.
Even my wife commented how the truck gets going so much faster now.
I went with the 6.0 cooler at the same time.


The only reason I don't jump on the John Woods transmission is time. I have a camping trip planned for the middle of September that I don't want to miss. I am really trying to find a solid option that I can have done in the next 3 weeks. If there is a bullet I have to bite to order the John Woods it will be giving up on that trip. Right now my best option feels like the Diesel Site Legendary 4R100. Looks like a good trans and they are supposedly ready to ship. I think that with their billet torque converter would be just over $4,000 after shipping. Add the 6.0 cooler and it should last the lifetime of this truck. I only put 5,000 - 10,000 miles a year on it but I don't want to be broke down 500 miles from home!

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For what it's worth, I'm real happy with the Legendary. Dieselsite was great to work with, had the trans in 3 days & my core deposit returned in 2 days when the old one went back. So far it's working great, shifts as fast or faster than the 5R in my 6.0 truck, picked up some MPG, & the van is noticeably faster now. It's only been in for about 11 months but it's a daily driver & has done several road trips over the rockies from one end of CO to the other w/o issue. I also picked up a Tru-cool cooler ($125) from them but haven't installed it yet as the trans has yet to exceed 165 even in summer heat pulling big grades. If their transmissions are as good as the rest of their products it'll last a long time, & I liked the fact that every one gets run thru its paces on a trans dyno before it goes out the door.
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The only reason I don't jump on the John Woods transmission is time. I have a camping trip planned for the middle of September that I don't want to miss. I am really trying to find a solid option that I can have done in the next 3 weeks. If there is a bullet I have to bite to order the John Woods it will be giving up on that trip. Right now my best option feels like the Diesel Site Legendary 4R100. Looks like a good trans and they are supposedly ready to ship. I think that with their billet torque converter would be just over $4,000 after shipping. Add the 6.0 cooler and it should last the lifetime of this truck. I only put 5,000 - 10,000 miles a year on it but I don't want to be broke down 500 miles from home!
I almost went that way as I am very impressed with everything they engineer. It came down to I just wanted piece of mind and went with the tried and true option.

I think they have gotten through their initial hurdles with this product and would be a great option.

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What's the word on BD transmissions out of Canada? I have a local place here that can get on installed in a week but I can't find a lot of info on them. Specifically how would they compare to the 4R100HD as those seem to be my local options. The BD trans would cost about $1500 more but he does the 6.0 cooler on all of his trans installs.

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BD makes good stuff.

I'm sure it's leaps and bounds better than the ford trans

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