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'99 & up Upgrades and Aftermarket - 7.3L Engine Upgrading or adding OEM or aftermarket equipment to your 1999-Up Super Duty or Excursion with 7.3L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 7.3L Power Stroke engine.

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Nice work!!

Thank you for documenting this!!

I've got a 2x4 and have been going back and forth whether or not I should go with a 2005 up front axle when I convert it to 4x4.

Did you have to cut the teeth back in the pitman arm after making the mounting hole larger?

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It's worth noting that I have 20" wheels.

The diameter is 33.25" on the tires.

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Nice work!!

Thank you for documenting this!!
Glad you've enjoyed it.

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I've got a 2x4 and have been going back and forth whether or not I should go with a 2005 up front axle when I convert it to 4x4.
This is a question to consider but I'm not sure there is a significant price difference in going with one or the other. Just find a decent donor truck with a limited slip rear. 06's and 07's with blown or stolen engines shouldn't be hard to find. If I had to do it over again, I would have bought the steering box with the suspension.

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Did you have to cut the teeth back in the pitman arm after making the mounting hole larger?
I modified my original pitman where the steering bar attaches by boring out the hole to fit the larger steering bar end. Very simple with a drill press and the snap on tool. So I didn't have to do anything with the splined end of the pitman. Just pulled it off to drill and reinstalled.

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Thanks for sharing your pictures.

How much did the buckets and springs and brackets cost from Ford if you remember??

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I forgot to mention that my lower radiator hose was a little low and rubbed the steering stabilizer. So I pulled it off and trimmed 1.5" where it connects with the motor. This didn't get it completely off the stabilizer but it was close enough for my comfort.

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Thats funny I remember having to do the same thing with my radiator hose and making a note of it.It is a close fit but after so many mos of driving it hasn't rubbed or damaged itself.
I beat you to the conversion by 7 mos or so, but I am glad someone else tackled it on their own. The cost for the brackets are as follows coil spring mounts 119.78 for the right and 100.64 for the left. I cant find the receipt for the radius arm brackets but they were cheaper then the coil spring brackets I remember that. The track bar mount was 76.22 but you can get that used as it unbolts. By the way I got it all from Tousley. If you need part number I should be able to provide those too. The new style steering box was $100 from ebay with free ship and it came with the right pitman arm. I wouldnt redrill out the old one,it makes no sense as the new box is beafier and is part of the new style suspension and steering. Better turning radius too. Also if in the event you have to get a new one or want to lift it and need a drop pitman arm all you need to do is source another for a 05 up truck. Just re-drill the three original frame bolts out to the larger size. You dont have to worry about anything because the hole position is the same, the new box just uses larger metric size bolts, get those and your done. But you do have to change the return power steering line to the 05 up but after 260k miles it didnt hurt to replace it with a new one anyways .I got most everything else from the wrecking yard. I had them leave on the radius arms the swaybar and mounts the track bar and all the steering. Also the coil springs and isolator mounts. They did cut the brake lines which was a pain because the old lines wont bolt up to the new calipers. I got some longer stainless steel one's for my lift anyways. I got everything from the doner vehicle for $550 plus $200 ship and $80 extra for the calipers on ebay. It was from an 06 single cab f350. I have done a lot of stuff like this over the past 20 years, Countless engine conversions,I even put a 6.0 and 5r100 in a 7.3 truck . back in 05(before I knew better) and a lot more but believe me this is a real easy swap. Ford has made it so easy with so many of the holes already there that there is no real measuring to do or worrying about drilling the holes in the right place. Im going to do it again on a Excursion next. If you get all the pieces lined up and plan it out. The actual work can be easily done in a three day weekend. Between the two of us who have already done this for advice,anybody that is patient and interested should be able to accomplish this swap. I bet it becomes popular in time. Dont forget 16 rims wont fit and the new axle uses 2.0 metric thread while the older axle and rear of course uses a 1.5 metric thread so you will need new lug nuts for the front.
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Dang!! And I JUST bought and installed a new RedHead steering gear box!

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What is R&P ratio?
Ring & Pinion Ratio. It's the ratio that the drive-shaft has to turn so that the wheels turn once. 3.73 and 4.10 are the most common.

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Did you change R&P ratio? That's the speed/RPM combo I have with 3.73's, 285x75R16's, and a ZF-6 (0.72:1 OD), 70 MPH @ 2,000 RPM.

OK. Yes. My truck came with the ZF-6 and 4.11 gear set in the rear. The new front and rear axles are 3.73.

To be honest, its a little doggy. In hindsight with larger tires and wheels, I should have gone with 4.11.

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05-07 axle conversion

hey vegoil im getting ready to do this conversion is there any tips for the front that you can give me before i get started. i beleive i met one of your buddys a while back i want to say he lives in saginaw( i bought some tires from off a 11-12 superduty if i remember correctly he also has a excursion) he told me yall had done this conversion at your shop. anyways any help would be greatly appreciated

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What is the need for the track bar frame mount change? Is it lower, wider, what?

Can you NOT use the old style mount?
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What is the need for the track bar frame mount change? Is it lower, wider, what?

Can you NOT use the old style mount?
I was going from a 2wd to 4wd so I didn't have a track bar mount to start with.

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I have also done this swap on a 2002 7.3 2wd to 2007 4wd axles...

It is pretty easy.. everything bolts up - you do have to drill a few holes here and there. I swapped to the 2005-2007 steering box - you have to use a 2005 6.0 pressure line (and larger bolts). My return line bolted up.

Be careful on buying used axles from a salvage yard. My first set - the front case was cracked and rear axle tube was bent 6 degrees... it was a roll over. Had to return them... second set was from a rearend damaged truck w/87k. Nice and straight... I looked the truck over before they pulled them.

If anybody has any questions - I can help also (pm me - do not use visitor message). I based my build this thread - thank you vegoilrecycler!

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is the braking substantially better? The rotors are larger I believe (thus the larger wheels) but is it enough to warrant the swap? The turning radius would be nice, but not worth the cost. I do, however, HATE my brakes. I dont recall ever having fade or 'warping' issues with the 04 I had, but this 02 likes to eat rotors.

With a 4WD swap, do I understand that there is no need to swap frame side panhard mounts?
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I didnt have the older brakes on my truck long enough to really tell, and I always had either f450-f550 older trucks or 05 up f250 f350 trucks but when I got my 2000 f250 long bed crew cab I knew I had to swap out the axle. To me it is the best thing you can do for these trucks.Its like getting your cake and eating it too as you get most of the better drivetrain upgrades of the later trucks (minus the 5 or 6 speed auto) but still keep the 7.3. You get better braking way better steering response, way better turning radius, way better ride, true dana 60, more stabile truck if you lift it due to wider front axle and they seem to be giving away(not really) the newer style axles. At least compared to buying a dana 60 for a chevy or early ford truck. By the way I have been now driving my truck for way over a year with no problems.
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