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I don't believe Ford has any interest in Visteon now. Ford and GM both shed almost all parts manufacturing companies they owned. Motorcraft is mostly a brand sticking parts made by the OE supplier in their bags and boxes.

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I don't believe Ford has any interest in Visteon now. Ford and GM both shed almost all parts manufacturing companies they owned.
Ford spun off Visteon back in 2000.
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Motorcraft is mostly a brand sticking parts made by the OE supplier in their bags and boxes.
You forgot the part about Motorcraft jacking up the price. Things like the International supplied GPR in a Motorcraft box for twice the price.

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Motorcraft is mostly a brand sticking parts made by the OE supplier in their bags and boxes.
I don’t see anything inherently wrong with this practice as long as Ford/IH continues to demand the same high quality specs in materials & workmanship.

Having used both genuine Motorcraft and aftermarket TYC headlights in the same application in recent years, I don’t think they are entirely identical. Whether that difference warrants a 300% markup on the Ford oval is another story.

For myself, I will buy Motorcraft housings if I can find them for $110/each but not $150.

If I were flipping trucks then I would go for TYC because crisp (not UV degraded) headlights definitely increase the value of the truck and the TYC is still a great product.


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Well I have purchased both an original Ford headlight ($144) and TYC ($26) headlight in the Aero style with the 2002+ lens design that has a smooth lens vs the earlier model years fluted lens.

I was fully expecting to see a bit lesser quality in the TYC which would be completely understandable given the price difference of $118.

I am surprised to say that even with my trusty magnifying glass I cannot find anything superior in the quality or build of the Motorcraft. In fact, the TYC actually weighs slightly more. The molds are nearly identical. Inside the lens, the designs are identical. The seams where the clear lens meets the grey housing appears equally sealed for water tightness.

The only visual difference are the adjuster screws on the Ford are metal while the TYC are plastic.

The only test remaining is to see how the plastic lens on the aftermarket TYC holds up to UV light over a few years

Bottom line, RT just saved me about $236 by suggesting the TYC brand from Rock Auto.
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Yes, still happy.(Rock Auto's TYC headlights are..) Equal to factory originals in all regards...i.e adjustments and light disbursement.
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I replaced my first trucks headlights using genuine Ford from White Bear Lake. I replaced my current trucks housings with aftermarket (TYC ?) and I think the light pattern is slightly worse. The moldings might be slightly different than genuine Ford.
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Having used both genuine Motorcraft and aftermarket TYC headlights in the same application in recent years, I don’t think they are entirely identical. Whether that difference warrants a 300% markup on the Ford oval is another story.

For myself, I will buy Motorcraft housings if I can find them for $110/each but not $150.

If I were flipping trucks then I would go for TYC because crisp (not UV degraded) headlights definitely increase the value of the truck and the TYC is still a great product.

ArcticDriver.... It appears that your opinion regarding the "identicalness" of TYC headlight housings has changed over time. At first blush, during the honeymoon of money savings, and under the scrutiny of your magnifying glass, the TYC's were, in your words, identical inside the lens, identical in design, and equal to factory originals in all regards...ie adjustments and light disbursement.

Fast forward to today, and with time and experience, you now don't think they are entirely identical, and for myself, I will buy Motorcraft housings.


Thank you for this long term feedback. I would have considered TYC headlight housings based on your earlier comments, but would not consider them based on your latter comments.


If you have any further thoughts that explain how and why you changed your mind, I'm sure that would be useful to others reading like myself.


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The UV clouds up headlight housings very bad here.
I replaced my first trucks headlights using genuine Ford from White Bear Lake. I replaced my current trucks housings with aftermarket (TYC ?) and I think the light pattern is slightly worse. The moldings might be slightly different than genuine Ford.

I do pay the extra for Sylvania SilverStar Ultra Halogen. They last about 18-24 months for $25/each.
Everything here at altitude is tougher on us. I have already replaced my headlights, so we will see how they hold up this time around. If/when they get messed up enough to make me replace them again; I will see how yours did. Definitely can't beat the price you paid. If they look like the factory 03 lights; I might be in.

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I'm at 5000 feet also and polished my headlights to clear a few years back followed by a layer of very light blue tinted film. They still look clear but the film lost any trace of blue, so I'm happy with that effort.

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Thanks for the memories...Lol

Its true my experience has changed over time. I have the TYC on both remaining trucks now (sold the truck with the Motorcraft) and have been fiddling around with the pattern and range this past week since I have been doing more night driving in the mountains. I primarily notice the difference in the mountains when I need to rely more on the peripheral pattern. The TYC seem to lack the “shoulder” light and also have shadows or dark spots in the overall disbursement pattern which I have been unable to “adjust” out.

I still have my Motorcraft housings and I can’t see any difference between them and the TYC but I might re-install them just to confirm my memory is accurate.

True the TYC honeymoon is over but I still think they are a good product & bargain at $26 compared to $126+. If I didn’t drive in the mountains then I might not care.


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BTW, one of my headlight clips broke and required replacement.

They are $17/each at local Ford but can be found for $10 if you search.

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I'm at 5000 feet also and polished my headlights to clear a few years back followed by a layer of very light blue tinted film. They still look clear but the film lost any trace of blue, so I'm happy with that effort.
I have had luck with this product applied about every 4 months.
Meguiars “Headlight Protectant”.
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Maybe this needs a new thread but looking for opinions on foglights using the factory foglight housings.

Have been considering replacing my standard Sylvania white bulbs with LED Amber color from Amazon for $20.
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Question:

How many feet in front of your bumper do you guys like the center mass of your LO beams to hit on level payment?

I need to clarify my above experience by saying I quite possibly have my housings directed a little nearer the front bumper since the roads are twisty, turning with much ascent/descent. As you can imagine, this has a tendency to throw a beam too far into the distance and often away from the direction the road turns. For that reason, I might have mine angked a bit more down.

I will give a linear distance tonight.


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In my experience Ford OE headlights have outlasted Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, and all others. This is using 2003 Expedition and 2006 F450 and F350 as the comparison. I don't think newer Ford models fare as well. The downside is that these older models that lasted so long are not easily restored. I did a restoration on the 06 F350 lamps and it was not wholly successful. I did 4 rounds of 600 grit wet power sanding and then sprayed them with clear and I should have sanded more off. I like the clear coat spray method as it lasts here for years and all other topical wax stuff lasts a year, maybe. The downside to clear coating is that you don't do the progressively finer steps and have the ability to see if you need to go back and do the coarsest step over again to get more dead plastic off. The 06 F350 ones are crystal clear halfway and lower but the top that was the worst has faint haziness. WAY better light and WAY decreased scatter but not the crystal clear all over like most others I have done that way.

BUT, Motorcraft branded items for Ford products are usually top notch but I have had new Motorcraft parts not last nearly as long as the OEM part the vehicle was built with. That makes me think there is some specification "drift" when they choose to go back and procure some pieces.

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it seems that nothing lasts as long as the original equipment.

@ArcticDriver: I tried to aim my lights according to the general guidelines. I am not sure how many feet out in front they are actually hitting, but i try to keep them lower as it helps in rain, for, snow, etc. there is a tiny bit of dead space just in front of the truck , but my driving lamps fill that void. with my truck being lifted on 35's i feel like they might be a little high but I haven't been flashed and they light up the road really well, I think.

Thanks for sharing the headlight cleaner, I may have to try some of that.

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I have not found good general guidelines online.

I did find one fault with the TYC housing compared to Motorcraft.

It is the small black adjustment box on two of my four housings. It is loose internally and does not grab the threaded portion firmly. This allows the entire assembly to wobble.

The first two photos attempt to show the two pieces on the TYC and the third photo is the exact location of the slop in an old Motorcraft.
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