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Re: Differences in Fuel by company? Texaco, Shell, etc.? Am I nuts?

With out question that is your freshest fuel. If the truck traffic is heavy even at a regular station you will get fresh fuel. The big trucks are fueling up to 300 gallons at a time. At that rate it wont take long for the in ground tanks to be refilled. Stay away from stations that only have 1 diesel pump, most of the bigger trucks do. Look for a station with multiple pumps and you will have a lot of fuel traffic there.

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Add me to the nuts list. Because I filled up with diesel from Texaco and I thought that there was something wrong with my truck but was unable to get it in to the shop for about a week. Well I needed to refule so I stoped at a shell by the house and to make a long story short the truck never went to the shop and the only diesel that sees my truck comes from shell.

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Most of my friends that drive big rigs say to try fuel from a Flying-J truck stop. I have not tried any yet so I cant comment but I am sure Hammer will chime in.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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If you get "bad" fuel you definately see the difference but that should be pretty obvious. I travel alot and even though I try to stay with the "big" names occasionally I don't have a choice and get stuck using "Bubba'a Blend" diesel. That's why I use Stanadyne religiously. With my old GMC I experienced numerous problems with water, contaminates, and lubricity issues. After I learned about additives and changes in diesel fuel over the last 10-20 years I decided I would'nt run without it. I've been adding it to every tank in my Ford since day one and my filter is always spotless at changes and I've never had any moisture either. I've used diesel from some really questionable places in the middle of nowhere and to date NO PROBLEMS! Although I probably just signed my trucks death warrant with this post. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] bOOmer

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Most of my friends that drive big rigs say to try fuel from a Flying-J truck stop. I have not tried any yet so I cant comment but I am sure Hammer will chime in.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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I typically buy fuel from Flying-J for my big rig because they tend to have slightly lower prices. I can't say I've noticed much difference between fuels in my Cummins N14 unless I added my own additive brew to the fuel. On the other hand, I typically fuel my PSD at one of two places here in the Charleston region. I either go to Angler's truck stop in Summerville who get their fuel brought in from the Hess Depot on Virginia avenue. Or I drive to a small truck fuel stop which is an Amoco station over off of Mantague ave in N.charleston, they get their fuel from the BP/Amoco fuel depot on Daniel Island. Angler's is much closer to my house but I like to drive to the affore mentioned Amoco station because I swear my truck runs better and smoother after I fill up there. Angler's definately has high turnover because they bring a couple tankers a day to fill the diesel tanks. The Amoco station gets alot of container trucks, fedex trucks, and other local LTL carriers from Banco drive. So they both have fuel turnover. Amoco may additize their fuel diffferently.

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Most of my friends that drive big rigs say to try fuel from a Flying-J truck stop. I have not tried any yet so I cant comment but I am sure Hammer will chime in.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

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I would say in almost 50K miles I have used Flying J (even driving 100 mi RT to get fuel when the prices were lower) for all but around 10 tank fulls and have only filled up or gotten fuel from a non truck type stop like two or three times one being at MCRD in San Diego.




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That's why I use Stanadyne religiously. With my old GMC I experienced numerous problems with water, contaminates, and lubricity issues. After I learned about additives and changes in diesel fuel over the last 10-20 years I decided I would'nt run without it. I've been adding it to every tank in my Ford since day one and my filter is always spotless at changes and I've never had any moisture either. I've used diesel from some really questionable places in the middle of nowhere and to date NO PROBLEMS! bOOmer

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I have to agree with b00mer. I have been using Stanadyne since 4K (I now have 55K), and have had no fuel issues. I just got off a 1 month experiment of not using the additive, and I noticed a marked difference in the way the engine ran. It was a long month, and I finally got a new case. BTW, Shell has been the only station that shows a C rating of 45 min for their premium fuel. All other I have been to that list their fuel as premuim but show their C rating as 40 min.

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In any given area all the fuel comes from the same tanks at the same terminals whether it is #2 heating, red dyed for non-taxed off road, or headed for your favorite local dealer. We've had posters here that hauled the stuff and explained there is no "brand" difference, except possibly in the additive package that is added (to diesel fuel) to the truck when loading for delivery to whichever retailer.

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That is NOT true. BP/Amoco have their own pipelines. If you get TRUE Amoco Fuel it's not out of the same pipelines as the other stations. In N. Va the Amoco fuels come out of Richmond BP tank farm. All the other fuels come from the Fairfax Texeco Tank Farm or the Lorton, Exxon tank farm. BP/Amoco only sell there Amoco fuel to the BP/Amoco stations.

This is true in many parts of the country. If the pump says "Power Blend Diesel" or "Preimier Blend Diesel" it's Amoco Fuel from the Amoco pipeline and will be minimum 47 Cetane.

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If the pump says "Power Blend Diesel" or "Preimier Blend Diesel" it's Amoco Fuel from the Amoco pipeline and will be minimum 47 Cetane.


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You will also notice it is clear and not a yellow or green color. You have to be careful because not all BP stations sell the good stuff. Found that out last winter.
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You have to be careful because not all BP stations sell the good stuff. Found that out last winter.

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Yep, you have to make sure the pump says "Power Blend Diesel". If the pump doesn't say "Power Blend Diesel" it's not Amoco diesel.

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You might want to check the "Cetane" rating of the fuel. It's the diesel equivalent of octane in gasoline. Usually it's found in the 38-40 range; however, I have run Hess fuel @42 cetane and the truck runs better and mpg is better. That could possible account for what you have seen...

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Does anyone know what the "owners manual" says the Cetane rating should be for the 2005 2006 MY? My truck wont be here for about two more weeks or so.

The local Citgo station close to the house is where I plan to buy 99% of the diesel fuel used in the truck.........the pump says Premium Diesel - but I have not looked to see if the Cetane rating is posted.

They have 8 diesel pumps and about 32 gas pumps. There is almost always a long line waiting for both gas and diesel. I think it is the most busy station I have every seen; but all the pumps are lightening fast and most likely the most friendly station operators around.

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I would say it does matter I used Shell Diesel for the first 6000 miles then switched over to Diamond Shamrock..And noticed a 2 mile per gallon decrease on the first tank. It has been the same for the past 6k miles even using stanadyne performance formula. Next tank I'm going to switch back to shell. Its a little more expensive 3-4 cents but it seems to pay for its self
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Well this has been an interesting thread. So far Ive run Texaco, Shell, Chevron and an off market place called Astro.

When I bought the thing, the old owner had been using Astro and it ran fine for the remainder of that tank. I thought name brand would be better so bought Shell. That seemed OK. Was out of town and ran Texaco. The Texaco ran like crap and I finally got it through by diluting it with Shell, then found a Chevron and it runs great. Best it ever has and quieter. May be some strange coincidence that caused it to run bad on the Texaco but I wont go back to test it out.

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You might want to check the "Cetane" rating of the fuel. It's the diesel equivalent of octane in gasoline. Usually it's found in the 38-40 range; however, I have run Hess fuel @42 cetane and the truck runs better and mpg is better. That could possible account for what you have seen...

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Not so. Cetane rating relates to the ease of igniting the fuel. The higher the cetane number, the easier to ignite. Just about the reverse of octane rating of gasoline. Of course nothing is that simple, but higher cetane rating does not necessarily mean better fuel or better mileage. The higher the cetane rating, the lower the BTU potential, so theoretically, less work done. Again theoretically, the lowest cetane rating that will give reliable ignition would give the highest output or mileage. As with everything else, it's a compromise.
Doesn't much matter anyway, all diesel has to meet the standard ASTM 975 which results in a cetane rating of 40 minimum. Some is higher by a few points and is often called "premium", which is a pretty meaningless term.
Don't expect to change anybody's mind, but all the fuel we can buy is pretty much the same, or at least left the terminal that way, and in any given area it all comes from the same place regardless of brand.

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