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The alst few days my truck has been cranking very slowly. At work i need a jump to get home so i figured it was the batteries. I had them checked and they were good. I put different good batteries in anyway and the truck is the same.
Im guessing this has to be the starter? Is there anything else that would cause this condition, especially in my garage which is 50 degrese right now?
Are the starters at advanced auto any good?

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A friend who used work at Advance suggests NEVER to buy an Advance starter or alternator,

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How are your cables? Pos. and Neg.

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check your battery leads and the starter solenoid on the fender if the tip burnt up inside not enough power will get through and cause a slow start speed issue.

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the cables looked good when i took everything apart. No corrosion or anything like that to speak of. Does the current that goes to the starter flow through the solenoid on the fender? I thought it went right from the battery to the solenoid on the starter.

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my cables looked good but were corroded internally. had the same problem, replaced them, now there's no problem.

the current that goes to the starter does not go through the solenoid relay on the fender. if you have a stock starter that relay operates the starter solenoid. if you have a nippondenso starter (the stock starter is all inline, the nippondenso isn't) that relay operates the internal relay that operates the solenoid, but the results are the same.

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If you have a good volt meter you can trouble shoot somewhat. Since you have good batteries take the voltage with the ignition on and not cranking. Then using the solenoid on the fender crank the engine. If your starter is bad you will drop about 5 to 6 volts from what it was without cranking. If it is your cables the voltage will not drop as much as the current is not reaching your starter. What type of starter is currently on it, the Delco starters seem to slow way down when getting a little worn.

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What you really want to do is read the voltage drop across the suspect part while cranking. If you read voltage across a resistor in a live circuit you get a reading that will tell you what the effective resistance is at that voltage. So read from one end of a suspect cable to the other, etc.

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You couldn't pay me to put an advance/autozone/oreilleys/etc part on my truck. Just about every one I've had has failed within the year.

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You couldn't pay me to put an advance/autozone/oreilleys/etc part on my truck. Just about every one I've had has failed within the year.
thing is, that's just what I say about Napa, so who's left?

Answer of course is to order online, but sometimes you need something right away...

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Im not sure which starter is on there now, im gonna pull it off and look at it. I was thinking of getting this one rebuilt, s&w starter and alterantor isnt too far from here eather.
Will one from an auto truck work in a stick application? I found a used factory one but its from a auto for 50 bucks. I dont know if thats agood deal or not eather

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pulled it, the starter has a mitsu*****i symbol on it and it says made in japan. I believe that is the stock unit. I hooked up my battery to the starter on the workbench, and it turned over, but it took about 5 seconds to get up to speed, it didnt jump to speed all at once. Im gonna get this tested and see what happens from htere.

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I have not had good luck with NAPA rebuilds, I usually replace the item multiple times in the first month. I had one alternator that had to be specially ordered and had 3 separate bad ones in a row, no charge out of the box. The last starter I replaced once with a rebuilt and then bought a new one because of the location and difficulty in replacement. A new Mitsu or Ndenso costs more but will save in replacement labor over a rebuilt. Most Mitsu or Ndenso do not get rebuilt because by the time they stop working the armature is so fried it has to be rewound or will not work.

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pulled it, the starter has a mitsu*****i symbol on it and it says made in japan. I believe that is the stock unit. I hooked up my battery to the starter on the workbench, and it turned over, but it took about 5 seconds to get up to speed, it didnt jump to speed all at once. Im gonna get this tested and see what happens from htere.
Your best bet is take it into a local auto electric shop and have it rebuilt. The brush wires are spot welded rather than screwed on so it's not a home job. A complete overhaul with top quality AMERICAN parts cost me $104 a couple years ago. Can't hardly beat the Mitsubishi, mine lasted 19 years and 240,000 miles before needing a rebuild.

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I had it tested, the guy said it was shorted internally and it popped his breaker. 150 for a rebuild w/1 year warrenty. Lifetime warrenty from napa is 139, if they were more reliable it would be a easy choice.

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