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10 Speed Transmission For Super Duty

What's the latest information/rumors out there as to when a 10 speed transmission is going to be available for the Super Duty? Also, I assume when ever that becomes available, at least the top two gears will be overdrive ratios (less than 1:1).
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The last rumor I heard was the 10 speed transmission would be on the 2017 Super Duty.

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Maybe they meant to say 2019? Or am I being an optimist thinking Ford will have it ready for production this Fall?
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If given the choice, I'd go with the 6R140 over the 10 speed.

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good question. the existing 10 speeds are far less torque capable so there is no grab parts then tweak option. gm is very much invested in allison branding. ram is walking two roads with their in-house trans and with aisin-warner. they may have a contract with a-w that would cost to exit. these last two things make the partner trans thing that gm and ford did with those transaxles and transmissions less likely for a new hd trans with either of them. ford is using the 6r140 in medium duties and that creates inertia to leave a proven unit for one that is new, more gears or not. i sure hope somebody connected would leak us something as everything is speculation. ford is not making target profits and they lead so someone is likely asking how an expensive trans helps if competition is 6 speeds.

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It appears the 10 speed transmission that Ford and GM have built isn't designed for the 3/4 ton and up market. They are going to the F150 Raptor and Camaro ZL-1 though with the Camaro putting out around 650 hp. Sounds pretty stout but maybe just not up to torque figures over 800 ft/lbs.

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It appears the 10 speed transmission that Ford and GM have built isn't designed for the 3/4 ton and up market. They are going to the F150 Raptor and Camaro ZL-1 though with the Camaro putting out around 650 hp. Sounds pretty stout but maybe just not up to torque figures over 800 ft/lbs.
Not only is there a big difference between 650lb-ft of torque and the 900 that's in current trucks. Add in the fact that any new HD transmission would certainly have to have room for growth and there's no way the current 10spd auto would work.

FWIW, the power wars are really, really getting stupid now. Can we please all just stop now? Instead of pushing for 500hp and 1,000lb-ft of torque from the factory, how about we put that effort into making the trucks more reliable and fuel efficient?

Personally, I think it would be cool if manufacturers offered progressive powertrain warranties based on power settings. For instance, have three levels of power available, 300/600, 375/750, and 450/900. The warranty for the highest setting could be four years, the next one six years, and the 300/600 power setting would come with an eight year powertrain warranty. Now THAT would be offering something worthwhile to the customer.
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Agreed, though I must say I'm very pleased with the 6 speed in my 2011. I understand it was built to rival the Allison but not sure what it's limits are for further torque increases. I guess we will see!

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My guess is that in terms of reliability, the engines are pretty good. It's the emissions standards that are A) failing too prematurely and B) forcing the manufacturers make changes to the engines and tuning at the cost of performance, economy, and reliability.

I would love to see someone who is a diesel guru get a grant to see how clean he could make a current diesel engine run without DEF & SCR, and...and... My guess is that a guy could make one run quite clean, and also gain economy and perhaps power.

That being said, competition is a good thing and power is an avenue that man naturally tries to one-up the next guy. So I don't see the big three power battle going away anytime soon.

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Diesel efficiency and power are produced by tuning and oxygenation that gives high burn temps. The air having high N concentration means that the high temp combustion forms oxides of Nitrogen. NOx is a no disputes bad thing. It is why LA basin had such bad smog. Attacking it cleaned up LA Basin air. Particulates (soot) is a contributor to lung diseases as we have more children born with respiratory issues. Clean and powerful don't live in the same place on a diesel engine.
I wish it weren't this way but high power on a diesel is not clean and pretty much can't be. The closest thing to achieving that is multiple injections on each power stroke. Or they kill performance with high EGR to cool combustion out of the high NOx production of high power and efficiency. SCR is the best thing going as it processes NOx after combustion but is no answer to soot.

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That is interesting chemistry to ponder.

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Power always comes with a price.

How is the current 6 speed in comparison to say, the one in the 99+ 7.3? I remember to get power through it you needed to upgrade quite a few parts at a cost of $4500 or more. The 6 speed in the F150 have been pretty stout, especially considering the power the 3.5 EB and 5.0 can put down. The 3.5 makes more HP than the 7.3 I had did, though not as much torque, close though at 450 ftlb.

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The Torqshift actually came about when the 6.0 debuted in 2003 and it has been a far better tranny than the 4r100, stock for stock. Any type of mechanical device has it's limits, but I think this tranny has been great for quite a while.

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Well if it has been around for 15 years, then I would say its a pretty good design! The 4r100 I remember back when I had mine was $4500 to start to have it bulletproofed, can't remember by who, but is well known on this site. Mine had the dreaded shift flare, which Jodi was able to help correct, but the damage was already done.

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You're probably referring to BTS. There were others, but Brian we regarded as the best.

I am sure there has been some refinements since this one was born, but it's still that same tranny.

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