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I have a theory. Yes I'm a conspiracy theorist but it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

If you remember back a few years ago, the OEM's wanted to lock down their software arguing that they are like Microsoft, it's proprietary. The result would be no access for aftermarket shops or retail customers to be able to repair vehicles any more... only the dealer. Obviously, this got shot down.

So my guess is they decided on "plan B"..."since the consumer has such a ferocious appetite for electronic shiny gizmo's....we'll give 'em gizmo's"

Now you have computers telling you how to park, how to drive, your not slowing down quick enough, your slowing too fast, someone is beside you, your trailer is swaying.... and on and on. Bells ringing, lights in mirrors going on and off, it's a freaking circus while driving now.

So if the vehicle is buried in 18 layers of electronics, the knowledge, tools and desire to work on them by retails and small to medium size shops will dwindle funneling more business back to the OE, achieving their initial goal. Not only does this help their business's back end revenue, I'm sure front end margins at the dealers has also improved as electronics are cheap to build and they charge a fortune for most of this stuff. Win-Win for the OE's.

In warranty, there will seldom an issue, but as they age, if this crap can't be disabled without causing issues to safely use the vehicle and all systems have to be maintained, that's going to be a problem.

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I drove Ford diesels for 16 years. When it was time to replace my 7.3, there was no way in heck I would have bought another Ford. The 6.0's, the 6.4's and the 6.7's were all having issues. I ended up with a Cummins and have been pleased so far.

There have not been any mentions of major malfunctions regarding the engines, and the fuel systems aren't having problems either. I don't understand how Ford is having so many issues with the fuel system when we are all running the same fuel!

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500k on my 6.0, sold it for my 2017. The 6.0 is still running around town, same transmission and engine


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EMISSIONS and EPA compliance have changed the diesel game in all sectors of the market from light duty pickups to fire trucks.


I have a pair of 6.7s and haven't ran into a issue with either one,,,,, yet. I also have a 2002 7.3 Powerstroke that just keeps on going. As you say, only time and miles will tell the story. To think Ford is the only manufacturer dealing with issues is wrong. We recently purchased (4) 2018 Duramax diesels. Two of the four have had injector issues; one truck has had all 8 injectors replaced; the other had a pair of injectors replaced. We are also dealing with numerous "check engine" light warning on one of the trucks. We have been buying Duramax / Allison equipped trucks since 2004 with very minimal issues. I'm not impressed with the maintenance record so far from what we have seen out of the '18 models.


If I had to do it all over again, I would purchase another Ford diesel. I have been driving Ford diesels for a while, dating back to 1988. Now that was a real truck, especially after I put a Banks Sidewinder turbo kit on the truck. It was a toughest thing on the road for its time!

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I'm relatively in the same boat as you, having recently started looking into Diesels again, but being very gun shy as I own a 2004 F250 KR which came a leftover 2003 6.0. Quite possibly the worst engine ever put into a truck in history IMHO. Some will say they they are great engines, mine has not been from the day I drove if home from the dealer it started having issues and to this day, remains problem ridden. I also own (company truck) a '14 F350 6.7 and it has been relatively OK, but currently has intermittent check engine lights depending on which way the wind is blowing that day. When the 17's came out, I looked pretty hard at 'em but ultimately decided to pass just to see what kinds of issues owners would have. Several years go by, and it's the same old story, unreliable engines plagued with issues mostly due to emissions crap. Chevy's are no better, nor are Rams, nor are GMC's, nor is anything for that matter, they all have problems. I also own 2 Mercedes Diesels, and they are head and shoulders better engines than anything American made, you just can't get 1 in a truck that can tow anything substantial. Personnally, I'm prolly going back to gas engines in a Superduty or Ram... I don't have to drive a truck everyday so can keep the mileage down, and hope to get lucky for a change. Years ago, I swapped a 1996 EFI 460 Ford and E4OD trans into an 89 Bronco including a full harness swap, transfer case adapter, etc. and it was bulletproof for years and years, and I beat the hell out of it offroading. The only repairs it had in all those years was a Tranny Temp Sender, an Ignition Switch, and a pair of Bosche AGM Batts... Other than that, it ran like a clock and never left me stranded... I'm done with American made diesels...

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So that's not a motor problem....It's an emissions systems problem. Apples and oranges.

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Oy Vey! There are more 6.7's on the road than the other two flavors so of course there will be more in the shop. My 11 got a turbo and EGR cooler at 125k but those are wear items, spendy but wear items. 7.3's are great motors but they only put out about half the power. They're also about due for suspension and interior rebuilds. Wife offered me a new 6.7, can buy a new one myself too, but we don't need one.
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I've had 10 Super Duty diesel trucks since my first 1997 7.3, I loved all of them and actually had Ford buy back 2!

My latest 2019 is by far my favorite, I took a bath getting rid of a 2018 Chevy Dura Max DRW LTZ crew cab to buy this new Ford, it was well worth it!

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The 6.7 in my 2017 F450 is a great engine.
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My early build 2011 has 184K miles on it. I'm very pleased with it's performance and reliability. And this coming from a 7.3.
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My 2011 6.7 f250 was purchased new 12/2010 and built 10/2010. We have only had one problem, a defective rearview mirror harness causing bad connections to the backup camera. It has been reliable for 8 years now but I do admit the EGR and DPF make me nervous. There is a procedure to clean the DPF at home which I’m going to tackle in the next year. I spoke with a shop that cleans them and they said regeneration burns off most stuff but leaves ash in the filter. All in all we are happy with the truck but all this extra maintenance is making me lean towards the new 7.3 gasser next time. Maybe not... who knows what I’ll want in 5-10 years 🙂
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I have a 2015 f-350 with the 6.7 and for the most part the truck has been okay. I had some rear camera issues but I ended up finding a broken wire behind the bumper, spliced it, and have been good ever since
I too have been thinking about the new 7.3 Gasser since they released the stats a few weeks ago. I think the only thing I might miss with my current truck is the engine brake when I'm going downhill thru the hills and mountains.
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