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Hey hey hey, I am admittedly a novice rookie about diesel engines. I have a 2015 super duty 250 6.7 . And I am learning but because I am a curious soul I am wondering if the old pre-government involvement, Did the diesels run better or have advantages that the newer ones do not have ? Also is there any manufacters that make a hand crank starter system? I don't really know why I would ask, but. Anyway if any one has the time please reply

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Hand crank on a diesel???
May work if you have Hercules as a companion. Or maybe a spring wind affair that takes an hour to wind up.

As far as pre-emissions controlled diesels, you'll get opinions all over the range. A lot of the emissions controls actually allow more power, but add complications.

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My old pre-government involvement diesel has the advantage over your diesel in that mine doesn't require DEF. However, your diesel has almost twice the horsepower, torque, and towing capacity of mine.

And no, my diesel cannot be started with a hand crank.

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And no, my diesel cannot be started with a hand crank.
I wouldn't say that it couldn't be started with a hand crank. With gear reduction and enough leverage just about anything is possible. But you would most likely have to have it attached to a trailer to haul around to start a diesel.

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I wouldn't say that it couldn't be started with a hand crank. With gear reduction and enough leverage just about anything is possible. But you would most likely have to have it attached to a trailer to haul around to start a diesel.
Wow, that creates quite a picture. Although, I'd have to see it to believe it. Would make an interesting project for those who are always looking for the next great upgrade.

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Some of the older stationary Diesels had a hydraulic starter motor. A pressure system with a hand pump supplied the pressure. Just pump it up for 10 min and hope it starts. Anyone that was around L.A. back in day can see the benefits of the emissions laws/equipment on new vehicles.
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Some of the older stationary Diesels had a hydraulic starter motor. A pressure system with a hand pump supplied the pressure. Just pump it up for 10 min and hope it starts. Anyone that was around L.A. back in day can see the benefits of the emissions laws/equipment on new vehicles.
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Not uncommon for even smaller marine diesels to have had a pnuematic system for starting. Even a sailboat with Yanmar 3-cylinder had one “back in the day” 😉


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Back when I was working in the oil fields of norther Utah and southern Wyoming I remember the big rigs that had the pneumatic systems for starting. They all carried air hoses for when their air tanks would loose pressure. It wasn't uncommon to see two trucks sitting next to each other with a air hose running to the one that was not running so that they could try and start it at a -40 F.

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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...il&FORM=VIREHT

Here you go. Apparently, it is possible to start a diesel with a hand crank. Here is the U-tube to show you how to do it.

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That's really convenient. Don't try it with an auto tranny truck though.

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That's really convenient. Don't try it with an auto tranny truck though.
Yet another reason why my next truck is gotta be a handshaker.

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Back when I was working in the oil fields of norther Utah and southern Wyoming I remember the big rigs that had the pneumatic systems for starting. They all carried air hoses for when their air tanks would loose pressure. It wasn't uncommon to see two trucks sitting next to each other with a air hose running to the one that was not running so that they could try and start it at a -40 F.
Yep, I ran across a few trucks years ago with air starters. Those babies were LOUD! Made an impact wrench sound like a whisper.

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Yep, I ran across a few trucks years ago with air starters. Those babies were LOUD! Made an impact wrench sound like a whisper.
Yeah, I used to live a block away from a trucking yard back in the day when they used to use the air starters.

That's quite a way to be woken up in the morning!!!
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I remember years ago when this subject came up regarding how loud they were, a couple goofy wannabe "truckers" that owned IDI Ford diesels asked how they could adapt an air starter to their pickups, yeah, right! Gott'a love the forums for free entertainment.

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I remember years ago when this subject came up regarding how loud they were, a couple goofy wannabe "truckers" that owned IDI Ford diesels asked how they could adapt an air starter to their pickups, yeah, right! Gott'a love the forums for free entertainment.
https://www.ingersollrandproducts.co...-starters.html

See the link above for air starter information. Who knows? Maybe some clever goofy wannabe trucker can figure out a way to adapt one of these starters for use on their pickups.

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