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Sabotaged or really bad fuel?

Just bought a brand new F350 Diesel. Love it. I have 700 miles on it now and it is so much nicer than my 2003 F250. Anyway, I fueled up at COSTCO day before yesterday. Today I got the water in fuel warning. When I got home, I crawled under the truck and drained the Fuel Conditioner. The fuel was cloudy. I let it settle in the catch basin and emptied it into a jug about 3 hours later. The fuel was still cloudy (Mountain Dew) and had about 4 oz of water at the bottom.

I drove the tuck another 16 miles and emptied it again. The warning light did not come on but I still got mountain dew and 2 oz of water with no settling time. I found a small amount of water just under the fuel filler cap but we had some heavy rain yesterday.

I guess I will be draining it every trip until it comes clean. Anyone know of locking fuel or DEF caps? I have also set up a game cam in my driveway 15ft from the truck in case some one is ticked at me for whatever reason. I'm a 49 yo family guy who doesn't go around pissing people off. At least that's what I thought.

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Locking green fuel cap is your friend, if your lift pump breaks and rust is found, well i hope you dont go that route!

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I have the Stant locking fuel caps. I use the green ones with DIESEL stamped on them.

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I would maybe avoid Costco fuel. Lol

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Costco has Diesel fuel where you live.... I have never seen that at any Costco, my wife and daughter both work for them and mentioned in the past they may add it some day

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Congrats on the new truck! Maybe you did piss someone off.... by getting a shiny new truck.... lots of jealousy in the world.

I use the same cap as Arctic. I am on my second one as the lock pulled out of the plastic on the first one which was only about a year old. I suggest some kind of lube in the lock cylinder, they really are nasty to operate with the key.

We don't have Diesel at our Costco in my city but I know there is at the one in London, ON 2-3 hours away.

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Costco has Diesel fuel where you live.... I have never seen that at any Costco, my wife and daughter both work for them and mentioned in the past they may add it some day

They updated our entire fuel island here at our Costco. It is really nice since there are 8 lanes (24 pumps) and each one has diesel. Since I have filled up there each time since I have had the truck, I'm thinking there might be a reason Costco fuel is $.20 cents cheaper per gallon. They cut it with water. I guess I will be taking a glass jug down there from now on to get a sample before filling up. Thanks for all the info everyone.
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They updated our entire fuel island here at our Costco. It is really nice since there are 8 lanes (24 pumps) and each one has diesel. Since I have filled up there each time since I have had the truck, I'm thinking there might be a reason Costco fuel is $.20 cents cheaper per gallon. They cut it with water. I guess I will be taking a glass jug down there from now on to get a sample before filling up. Thanks for all the info everyone.
To find that amount of water in fuel anywhere is surprising but every Costco I have ever seen is always busy so they would have a rapid turnover of diesel fuel I would have thought. i did fill up a little plastic water bottle when I would fuel up following Hurricane Irma. I never did find any problem fuel but that would have allowed me a quick method of holding the particular retailer responsible.



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I use the same cap as Arctic. I am on my second one as the lock pulled out of the plastic on the first one which was only about a year old. I suggest some kind of lube in the lock cylinder, they really are nasty to operate with the key.
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Good to learn about the lock tumbler failure...I will PM mine.


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Just bought a brand new F350 Diesel. Love it. I have 700 miles on it now and it is so much nicer than my 2003 F250. Anyway, I fueled up at COSTCO day before yesterday. Today I got the water in fuel warning. When I got home, I crawled under the truck and drained the Fuel Conditioner. The fuel was cloudy. I let it settle in the catch basin and emptied it into a jug about 3 hours later. The fuel was still cloudy (Mountain Dew) and had about 4 oz of water at the bottom.

I drove the tuck another 16 miles and emptied it again. The warning light did not come on but I still got mountain dew and 2 oz of water with no settling time. I found a small amount of water just under the fuel filler cap but we had some heavy rain yesterday.

I guess I will be draining it every trip until it comes clean. Anyone know of locking fuel or DEF caps? I have also set up a game cam in my driveway 15ft from the truck in case some one is ticked at me for whatever reason. I'm a 49 yo family guy who doesn't go around pissing people off. At least that's what I thought.
Since you are no stranger to diesels I think you know this but to clarify for future readers its supposed to look like Mountain Dew in color. Its just not supposed to be "cloudy" or milky.
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Yeah, but he actually has water settling out--something big time wrong. I have used Costco diesel in CO with no problem.
If it were my truck, with only one fillup and that much water, I would be right back at Costco and take a sample from the pump. Too bad you did not have a dealer verify the water--with one fillup at Costco, and the receipt, bet they would be jumping to do something about it.

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Was there a Tanker Truck filling up the tanks when you filled up. I NEVER fill up if I see a tanker dumping fuel in the underground tanks. Always heard they stir up all the crap in the tanks then you suck them in if you will up when they dump.
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It can. Theoretically they have filters that will catch the crap.
But it would be likely they don't get changed often.

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Yeah, but he actually has water settling out--something big time wrong. I have used Costco diesel in CO with no problem.
If it were my truck, with only one fillup and that much water, I would be right back at Costco and take a sample from the pump. Too bad you did not have a dealer verify the water--with one fillup at Costco, and the receipt, bet they would be jumping to do something about it.
If the source of water is from the Costco diesel then there will be several other diesel truck owners with the same issue so I would check with Costco to find out if they have been notified of a problem. I would also check the local diesel shops to find out if others have had a recent problem. I would also look on local truck forums or VW TDI forums for any similar experiences. Costco fuel pumps are almost always busy so the OP will not be the only person with this issue.

It is a significant amount of water in fuel. This is not a common occurance in the US today because of mitigation efforts in place over the past decade.

If I were the OP I would be putting in two products by Power Service and typically added to fuel storage tanks. One removes water and the other is a biocide. I would add these to my truck tank to stop future issues with microbial growth.


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