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|06-23-2016 04:50 PM|
Originally Posted by Spencnaz View Post
|06-23-2016 02:53 PM|
|Spencnaz||The best way to get rid of the fats is to turn it into biodiesel. This chemical reaction will strip the free fatty acids out and turn them into methyl ester chains.|
|06-23-2016 07:02 AM|
1,500km on a set of GP's ----- I can only say what I have experienced, I have a set of Bosch plugs off eBay and have done 10,000km on them in the Hiace so far, and much more than that in the Hilux without a problem, are they genuine Bosch plugs is my question.
I still say gp's are part of servicing and you can expect to replace them, but of course, not at 1,500km. I do give mine a longer glow rather than a shorter one here in this cold climate, nice to have them fire on the first compression and not spray fuel onto the cylinder walls to end up in the sump.
Fuel price ----- yes, low prices here too, near half of what it was a while back, free still cheaper, I do it to save money, I am a Vietnam Vet and get $38 a day, cant live on that. Suppose to be retired but I still work.
Washing ----- No, I don't wash, but I would like too, that's next on the to do list and will take some thought to automate it. I use timers on my system so I can set and walk away.
6 filters ---- cant filter too much can you. Never heard of over-filtering as opposed to under.
WMO ---- After my first experience with it I wont be using it again, far too much carbon to combust properly I found, carbon build-up on injector tips frightened me off it. don't know if it was wmo for sure, but that engine died on me, killed GP's, started to smoke (blue), got real hard to start, was priming it with a shot of propane to start it in the finish. Was it wmo? I think it was. Excess carbon and stuck rings, I didn't dismantle it for a look, but it died with lack of compression and blue smoke, and that's stuck rings, rings seized in the groves with excess carbon. So go wvo and never had another problem.
Have we gone off thread and hogged the conversation here Excalibur, nobody has growled at us yet. Want to pm me, jfscott(at)optusnet.com.au
|06-22-2016 08:35 PM|
What I know now is I don't need to heat the GP's to anywhere near the 800°C (some to 1100°C) that they do. I only need exceed autoignition temperature of 210°C and some of that heat can come from compression.
|06-22-2016 08:56 AM|
Burning gp's. Mineral oil has more energy than diesel, therefore it burns hotter. When I tried wmo I recall the metal tip enclosing the wire had eroded and exposed the innards on one side, which was the side that faced the injector. Wvo does not have the energy of diesel so burns cooler, so no glow plug problems.
Yes, it isn't the start that is the problem is it, its the hotter burning oil. The glow plugs wont do it.
Try a gp on a battery, they get red hot real quick, couple of seconds. They self regulate a bit, like a light globe, the resistance increases with temp.
You can get ceramic tip plugs, go for a set of those for a try, has to be the answer?
LPG cylinders, yes, start collecting them, 45kg house bottles, I use them upside down for the drain tap at the bottom. I use 5/16 steel fuel line off an old car, the bends are good, grind around where the hole will be to prepare the surface for the next step. Drill a neat hole in the tank (after vacuuming the tank out with your vac pump, careful, the exhaust will be propane and ignitable), then insert your tube and superglue it in position. I build up a little mound around the pipe and the tank with sawdust and superglue for extra strength and I haven't had one fail or leak yet.
While it wont pass the vehicle design regs I have done my vehicle tank this way too, again, no failure or leaks. Otherwise it's tap the hole and screw a fitting in, or solder or bronze the steel tube in, super glue is just a very easy way to achieve a penetration and tube fitting anywhere in a tank.
'Fuge, yes, I had been planning to make one too, I don't feel the need for one now with vacuum dewatering, and I don't use anything but 1u whole house clear filters wrapped with bed sheet, they aren't fast flow tho, oil only trickles thru, they restrict the flo so they must be filtering fine.
The white bed sheet quickly darkens with particles, I don't imagine much gets past the dozen or so turns of bed sheet, in fact I can tell you the filters inside are still white when dismantled. They last a long time, and it is my contention that the more blocked the filter the finer it is filtering.
Centrifugal pump? Just a little ebay 380 watt (1/2hp) garden pump, I will try a 1hp pump when I get one, it will heat oil faster for a faster flo, mine is a slow process, probably slower than a centrifuge, that's ok, I am retired!
Contrary to popular thought a throttled (at the outlet) centrifugal pump draws less power than full flow, it is doing less work. Put you hand over your vac cleaner and the motor increases speed because it is not moving air.
Settling is the key to it all, you read this a lot, its the secret to separating the oil from the goop, don't try to filter it out, let it settle out before extracting the clear oil off the top in the drum it is collected in. Filters last 1000lt (IBC) easy.
Good oil will be 90% clear in the drum from the right places. It is waste here, can get all you want, free. I picked up 200 lt today, and 300 last week!
I would like to wash my oil, but that's another story, with emulsions and their problems, I have washed small quantities in plastic bottles by shaking and amazed at what comes out in the water. So settled, filtered to 1u, washed and vacuum dried is my goal.
Is it all worth the effort? My word it is, no more $80 fill-ups for me.
|06-21-2016 06:50 PM|
|06-21-2016 05:23 AM|
Nice write up with some good ideas. ------------ Thanks, been doing it a long time, found the easiest ways, no mess.
You run the same engines as I do. ------------ Great little motors, we don't have 6lt engines here in Oz, fuel too expensive.
Have you had glow plug failures? ---------- Not on wvo, I had tried wmo in the past and had trouble with glow plugs burning out. Have to make sure you are getting genuine Japanese glow plugs and not a scam in a copied box, and I am not sure how to do that either.
I've burnt lots of them out over the years running wvo and other free mineral oil based diesels that I make. I found recently that they last if I reduce current to them. --------- Longer feed wire? Of course glow plugs are consumables, like spark plugs, they operate in an extreme environment and don't last forever anyway.
As I say, I know I suck up some animal fat, or I assume it is, the white stuff near the bottom, I never see it again after I subject the oil to a little heating and vacuum, I suspect it is water as well, or attached to water. I will add more vacuum cylinders as I go, great place to store your processed oil, in a vacuum. Perfectly dry, nothing can grow in it, can't oxidise etc.
To those that say, vacuum to hard, too much plumbing, vacuum pump will leak past the seals and a multitude of other excuses I say poppycock, you haven't tried it. Settling first in the collection drums (20lt) and filtering thru a one micron filter wrapped with a dozen turns of bedsheet into a vacuum to boil the water out (and a LOT comes out) beats all the hours trying to dry it by heating and bubble washing etc hands down.
Now I haven't tried it, and I am not thinking of buying a 'fuge just yet, but I think my oil would be as good as and maybe dryer than 'fuged oil. I filter thru another 1 micron filter, again wrapped with bedsheet, into the oil tank in the Hiace. For a long trip I store extra in 15lt plastic containers and pump into the main tank with a little eBay facet copy pump thru an inline filter as I drive.
I don't heat my oil except it gets a little warm thru the centrifugal pump at lo flo. Heating lots of oil with a big wattage heater must add to your electricity bill, then your free oil is starting to cost you. We are cold here, southern coast of Oz, all my oil is cold, I have no need at all to heat it in bulk quantity.
For those of you finding brown goop in your filters etc, that is diesel bug (my name), a fungus that needs water to grow, don't use a gauze filter in your pickup, you want the goop to come out of the tank into your first sediment (only) filter, it will block an in tank gauze and give you hard to find starvation. Diesel bug needs something to grow on, bit of food scrap, and free water in your tank or wet oil. I have washed gallons of diesel bug out of boat fuel tanks. It is clear when it starts to grow, you will see it on the sides of containers sometimes. It cannot grow without water or wet fuel. I will tell you that my oil tank is perfectly free of anything on the bottom, a steel tank, it has no build up of anything in it.
Toyota has return to tank from the IP, this oil is at water temp, the oil tank gets quite warm, but more important is that all the oil is sterilized by heating, then returned to the tank.
If your oil is not perfectly dry you will have trouble with it, the vacuum easily dries it very well.
|06-20-2016 07:15 PM|
Hi go wvo
Nice write up with some good ideas. You run the same engines as I do.
Have you had glow plug failures? I've burnt lots of them out over the years running wvo and other free mineral oil based diesels that I make. I found recently that they last if I reduce current to them.
Has it been an issue for you?
|06-19-2016 09:48 AM|
I know a chap here who has run his HZ on solid fat for 15 years, and never had a spanner on the engine.
Of course it has all heated lines, and heated tank, he does 15 km before he changes over, has to open the bonnet to swap fuels. He stopped her on fat once, and got stuck into it with a blow torch and got her started again.
This is not hearsay, I know him and his vehicle personally.
So it can be done, just have to heat it all. Animal fat is a good fuel, I have no doubt of that, just don't ever let the motor get cold without purging on diesel.
I cold upflo into two 100lb propane bottles in series with a vacuum in them, and pump with a little eBay pump into a 1 micron whole house filter wrapped with a dozen turns of bed sheet. With the outlet of the pump throttled to slow the flo, the oil has time to heat in the pump to flo thru the filter. I let my 20lt drums settle first and lower a pickup tube into the oil until I start to get the animal fat. I have a gauze filter after the drum pickup, and a little gauze filter on the drum pickup.
Pouring oil thru filter socks, never done it, forget the messy idea.
I am amazed to see water boiling out of the oil like lemonade in the filter when it hits the vacuum, and the outlet of the vac pump vents water vapour, you can see it.
I would not have believed this much water could be in clear settled oil. Starting near the bottom of the drum where there is a little animal fat shows the most water boiling from the oil, as the level drops there is less water. I don't mind a little animal fat in my fuel, it all burns and I heat the oil as it leaves the tank, and use another I micron whole house filter wound with bed sheet in the Hiace for her wvo filter, and a fuel pump at the tank after the heater.
I strictly purge back to diesel before stopping for any period other than a shop stop, they don't like starting on oil.
I have done 1000's (and 1000's) of km on wvo in the Hiace and Hilux, both vehicles near 30 years old, Hiace turns 30 next year. I have (bought home yesterday) a factory fitted turbo motor for her. We can do 5000km in one trip without buying fuel, take 500 lt with us, now that's heavy for the little 2.4, so needs the turbo.
Seal the filter ends with silicon before you use them to stop the oil short flowing around the ends
Wvo works so well in these old indirect injection Toyota's that I have no intention of ever making bio, why bother when wvo works so well.
I have been a blender when I started, but now a firm believer in two tanks. I have never mixed petrol with oil.
|04-02-2012 10:37 PM|
|Spencnaz||BTW, you want to get oil with the highest cetane rating or the engine will sound like a washer machine full of rocks.|
|04-02-2012 10:36 PM|
I understand your hesitation on making biodiesel. Here's my advise. Make a couple small batches like a liter or so to get yourself familiar with the process then move up.
People ask me all the time if biodiesel is hard to make. I reply to ask them if they can bake a cake by using the instructions on the cake mix box. Now if they're completely illiterate, most will say yes. I tell them to be very careful with the chemicals involved but have fun with the learning experience.
I've made biodiesel from oil that smelled like a skunk's pooter, but it turned out just fine.
|03-24-2012 01:52 PM|
Originally Posted by hheynow View Post
|06-10-2007 12:31 PM|
Re: Removing fats from WVO?
|06-10-2007 09:27 AM|
Re: Removing fats from WVO?
4000 gallons? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] Forget calling it butter...What settles looks like [pancake] batter. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
|06-10-2007 07:48 AM|
Re: Removing fats from WVO?
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You call it butter...I call it sludge. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
[/ QUOTE ]No matter what you call it,it will make bio.
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Perhaps... but if you live north of florida, all those tallows will just be bio-sludge when the temperature drops below 70 degF.
[/ QUOTE ]Right thats why I use it in the summer ( I have 4000 gal storage )
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