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07-27-2005 12:05 PM
imelmo
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

Yeah, I remember how much smoother and quieter my truck was when I installed my set-up from DI. The mini-me's I just got put in kind of cancelled that out though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
07-27-2005 11:33 AM
ddog
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

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I'd be interested in hearing from anybody in the Indy area who has experience hunting down boost leaks.


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Carl,

I'm not from Indy, but this hould help you out. Scroll down from wicked wheel ad to see this Picture of Bob's Boost Leak Detector. Be sure and see his warning about not keeping the turbo spun up too long without oil. If you get a chance, check the parts list I put in the "Steering Wheel Nibble" thread in the Van Forum. Trying to confirm the correct parts to add a steering stabilizer. Probably should have PM'd it.

Derrek
07-27-2005 12:22 AM
DarthSurplus
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

What I previously called syncopated I now believe to be cackle.

And allow me to inform interested parties, one and all, that if you install Dennis Schroeder's fuel feed line and regulated return kits, and replace the LL8 injector with a standard one, not only will your cackle be gone, but you will believe that somebody has installed a straight six where your powerstroke was - it's that smooth! The airdog smoothed out the top end of the rpm range. The HPX hose narrowed the rpm band of the cackle. The regulated return fuel system has killed it ALL!!!!![img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img][img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img][img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] I'm tickled pink with how smooth this thing is now. And it is quieter on the highway. Once again, not much help with the sound level at idle.

My enjoyment of my newfound smoothness has been dampened by boost leaks, as I also added aftermarket intercooler boots. The four-way casting won't sit down as far on the engine as it used to, so it won't line up with the compresser outlet like it ought to. This junction leaked. This leak was stopped with a little prying and tightening. Then I tested my newfound leak-less system by getting on it late one night, when I had a long way to drive and the wife & kids in the truck. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] The intercooler boot under the AFE box is the one that popped loose. It took about an hour and a half to wrestle that thing back into place, and I've pinched a nerve in my hip or leg. I'll survive, even if I have to gnaw the offending pieces off. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]

I did install Diesel Manor's no-longer-available CCV mod kit, and, frankly, wondered why. There was scarcely any oil in my intercooler system. There was some in the intercooler itself, and a little on the boots, but not heaps, gobs and scads of it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] My diesel mechanic friend says that's really only a problem if the air filter gets clogged. I'm not sure if he's right, but it's something to think about. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I've also added the 203* thermostat & housing, SPdiesel's bypass coolant filtration system, and a bypass oil filtration system whose name at present escapes me, since I bought this stuff months before I got this chance to install it.

I don't really have a decent fuel economy report, since I've been doing a lot of towing, hauling, and idling with the A/C (for nappers). I've also done some faster-than usual driving, on account of the increased speed limit on I-65 between Louisville and Indy. Some of this has been done with boost leaks, but I still haven't dropped below 17 mpg.

I put the Mastercraft Courser C/T 265/75 R 16 tires in the shed, and the truck now sports some Mastercraft Courser HTR 235/85 R16 units, which are much quieter but have an annoying tendency to drift with the road crown.

I'd be interested in hearing from anybody in the Indy area who has experience hunting down boost leaks.

Cheers, and good night diesel stoppers. (diesel go-ers?) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
04-01-2005 09:00 AM
DarthSurplus
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

The pyrometer in the van has turned out fluky. Dennis is sending a replacement.

Last night I replaced the fuel gauge sender in the truck. I unwittingly broke the original sender when I did the in-tank mods.

I also added the Dieselsite stainless steel braided high pressure oil crossover line. I noticed the improvement immediately! The engine is a little smoother all across the board, and much, much smoother when accelerating from 1800 to 2300 rpm. Now, when I say smoother, I mean that there is less vibration, and less sound associated with the vibration, from the engine. Specifically, there seemed to be a syncopated, or side-to-side vibration, that seems now to be gone or at least diminished below perception. There is still room for improvement at 1500~1600 rpm, though.

I am very happy with the HPX mod. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]

A lot of people say that Bob & Sheryl Riley at Dieselsite are wonderful people to do business with. I really cannot say. Bob could be Captain America, Captain Bligh, or Cap'n Crunch, for all I know about him. I have never called him, because I've never needed to. I've only ordered stuff straight through his website.

I can say this: his internet business runs like a fine Swiss watch.

I shop, I order, I receive exactly what I order, and it works exactly as advertised. What's not to love? I've had zero problems so far.
03-07-2005 10:39 AM
DarthSurplus
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

Which engine?
03-07-2005 10:17 AM
toesford
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

Go with the full 4" exhaust.. If you had bought that engine from International rather than Ford it would already have the 4" and been pushing 300 hp vs 250 so I'm told.. I could not believe the difference in go just from that swap when towing. Can't say I really saw a difference in mileage when not towing.
03-07-2005 08:47 AM
DarthSurplus
Re: Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

Friday night I installed the proper fitting on the suction side of the fuel pump. It turns out the fitting wasnít the problem. The flange on the pump tube had been deformed, probably by my helper when we dropped the tank. I used a 7/16Ē nut driver like a pile driver and hammered the wave out of the flange. Then I used an emery board (nail file) to eliminate the rough edges. The fitting is on, with no leaks, but I pulled muscle in my shoulder getting the half-inch line onto the hose barb. I used a 3/8Ē drive extension to plug the line. This worked about half of the time. The rest of the time diesel fuel dribbled down my arm. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

For sale: One (1) green plaid work shirt, missing left elbow, smells faintly of petroleum products. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Reeks o' Diesel is more like it! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I serviced the sender connector, which is surprisingly difficult to work with, by disconnecting it, spraying contact cleaner into both ends, and packing it full of dielectric grease.

I also wired the LED for the airdog. I didnít use bulbesaurus LED [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img], which was furnished with the airdog kit. I used a 5/16Ē diameter unit from Action Electronics.
Part Number LN-B2191U7-12V $4.99 12v Amber

I put it to the left of the steering wheel. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


I put the gauges in the van. I put three cobalt gauges in an overhead cluster with a secondary dimmer switch. I painted the cluster gray to match about a month ago. Iím ashamed to admit how long this installation took me. I spent quite a bit of time prepping the wiring harnesses, and getting the secondary dimmer switch properly installed. Unless you've worked on a van, you simply wouldn't understand. Routing the lines and wires, when the powerstroke has already got plenty of both, can be a challenge. I had to scavenge a 3-way 1/4" tee fitting off of the truck to make the boost line work. Frankly, the only thing about the project that was easy was drilling the up-pipe for the pyrometer probe. The boost gauge has the slightest, barely perceptible lag, when compared to the truck, because I ran the entire length of tubing from the T-fitting to just inside the cab. I havenít installed the trans temp sender, because I couldnít find a port for it. I was surprised at how high the EGTs run in the van, and I was also surprised that it can make about 23 psi of boost. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

It feels good to have it done!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
03-07-2005 08:13 AM
DarthSurplus
Taking the Plunge, first performance modifications

Darth_Surplus
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#1821930 - Thu May 27 2004 10:23 AM Edit Reply Quote



I am taking the performance modification plunge. With the help of many of your discussions, I have ordered the following parts for my 2002 F250 with 22,500 miles on it:

2G A-pillar mount
Autometer Cobalt EGT gauge (pre-turbo)
Autometer Cobalt Boost gauge
AFE stage II intake
Turbo Lifesaver (got one for the new arrival, too)
Quadzilla Stealth Power Module

I also intend to imitate this fellow's clever boost pressure relief system shown in the lowest two images on this page:

http://www.blackhummer.com/powerstroke/valve.php

My truck is a daily driver, and I tow a fully-loaded trailer, via class V hitch, only occasionally.

Do you all have any advice or opinions regarding this endeavor?

Thank you.

- Carl

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2002 F250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3PSD 6-Speed 3.73 L-S, Quadzilla Stealth Module, AFE Stage II Intake, Turbo Life Saver, MAP sensor boost relief valve, Boost Tube with 0.040" bleed hole, Cobalt pyro & boost gauges, Walker BTM, Wicked Wheel, TAG 1&2, AirDog, In-tank, Harpoon

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#1822709 - Thu May 27 2004 07:31 PM Edit Reply Quote



You are also going to need a 4" exhaust and compressor wheel to add to your set up.

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#1823546 - Fri May 28 2004 09:52 AM Edit Reply Quote



Dave,

I can't see spending $500, for parts alone, to gain an extra 1/2" of exhaust system diameter. The price is higher for stainless. The benefit is debated here on this site. I won't go to 5", because I'd rather keep my spare tire.

What does a compressor wheel add? What level of difficulty is its installation?

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2002 F250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3PSD 6-Speed 3.73 L-S, Quadzilla Stealth Module, AFE Stage II Intake, Turbo Life Saver, MAP sensor boost relief valve, Boost Tube with 0.040" bleed hole, Cobalt pyro & boost gauges, Walker BTM, Wicked Wheel, TAG 1&2, AirDog, In-tank, Harpoon

2004 E350 XLT Wgn 6.0PSD 3.55 L-S TDM EZ-Entry 11 pass., AIC, SPDiesel EST

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#1823556 - Fri May 28 2004 10:00 AM Edit Reply Quote



You at least need to put on a different muffler. The stock one sucks, and will cause high egt issues.

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#1823758 - Fri May 28 2004 12:07 PM Edit Reply Quote




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Dave,

I can't see spending $500, for parts alone, to gain an extra 1/2" of exhaust system diameter.


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You actually gain 1" on the downpipe and 1/2" for the rest of the system. The downpipe and the muffler is what is really restrictive.

Plus you can get a nice stainless exhaust for around $500 shipped from DPP. Call Nate at www.performancetruckproducts.com

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#1823768 - Fri May 28 2004 12:12 PM Edit Reply Quote



Darth,

Trust me, the debate is over whether the 3.5" versus 4" has any benefit, but trust me, the 3.5 or 4 over stock is a MAJOR improvement over just stock.

and get rid of that stock muffler!! Run it straight piped, or run an aftermarket muffler, just get rid of the stock one.

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Trust me, the debate is over whether the 3.5" versus 4" has any benefit, but trust me, the 3.5 or 4 over stock is a MAJOR improvement over just stock.



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I don't understand this. Are you saying that even a 3.5" aftermarket system is sufficiently better than the factory 3.5" system that it will reduce backpressure and EGTs?

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2002 F250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3PSD 6-Speed 3.73 L-S, Quadzilla Stealth Module, AFE Stage II Intake, Turbo Life Saver, MAP sensor boost relief valve, Boost Tube with 0.040" bleed hole, Cobalt pyro & boost gauges, Walker BTM, Wicked Wheel, TAG 1&2, AirDog, In-tank, Harpoon

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#1823861 - Fri May 28 2004 01:14 PM Edit Reply Quote



The stock DP is 3"

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#1823886 - Fri May 28 2004 01:27 PM Edit Reply Quote




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I don't understand this. Are you saying that even a 3.5" aftermarket system is sufficiently better than the factory 3.5" system that it will reduce backpressure and EGTs?


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Simply replacing the factory muffler on your ride (which already has a 3-1/2" system) with an aftermarket 4" job like a Magnaflow or Walker BTM will give you maybe 2/3 of the benefits of going to a 4" system all the way. It's all about the muffler. That's what they're telling you.

The guys aren't joking, at least replace your muffler. Even if you don't make any other mods to your truck, replace the muffler. If noise is an issue, the straight-through Magnaflows are almost factory quiet.


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#1823962 - Fri May 28 2004 02:05 PM Edit Reply Quote



You also have a catalytic converter on your truck. That is a major cause of backpressure. Some people have had the cats guts fall out (after beating on it with a piece of re-bar and hammer). Or get a cat delete pipe from a vendor.

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Darth_Surplus
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#1823970 - Fri May 28 2004 02:11 PM Edit Reply Quote



A muffler I can do. It looks like changing the down pipe would require me to figure out adapters, take the exhaust loose, and it would end up being as much work as changing the whole exhaust. The price for the two parts, versus a packaged system (with instructions and adapters) is not much lower than the package.

Which is most beneficial: changing or removing the muffler, or enlarging the downpipe?

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#1824022 - Fri May 28 2004 02:47 PM Edit Reply Quote



I would say you will see the biggest improvement by getting rid of the CAT and the muffler. how far are you planning to go on mods? if you are gonna do much more than a chip anything other than a full exhaust is a waste of money cause you will have to change it out later to help the EGT's.

Just my $.02

Scott

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My Truck

Best #'s to date 400hp and no TQ number, lost the Tach signal

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#1824142 - Fri May 28 2004 04:21 PM Edit Reply Quote



Darth- Definately the muffler. You could straight pipe it, or you could pick up a walker BTM from your local parts store. They are like $40. Weld that puppy in there and you have taken care of the Biggest restriction.

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#1824186 - Fri May 28 2004 05:03 PM Edit Reply Quote




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how far are you planning to go on mods? if you are gonna do much more than a chip anything other than a full exhaust is a waste of money cause you will have to change it out later to help the EGT's.



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I'm not going any further than approximately what you see in the first post. I won't do anything that will permanently lower the fuel economy, like a 140 hp chip, or larger injectors.

Anything that helps my Navistar 444 air pump pump air more easily is attractive.
I like efficiency. That is partly why I am hesitant to cast aside a servicable, intact, and already paid for exhaust system. Do these aftermarket exhausts take longer to rust out?

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#1824198 - Fri May 28 2004 05:17 PM Edit Reply Quote



I'd do the muffler. If you want to do any thing else do a complete kit. Last I heard you could buy a complete stainless exhaust from DPPI for less than 500. The larger down pipe will help with getting the extra heat that is added from the tunner away from the turbo. Plus I think it helps in gas mileage. The very first thing I did was exhaust then intake. I got 19 mpg acouple of times just with those two items.

But it all comes down to how much money you want to spend for gains. Some folks are tickled to death with just a muffler.

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#1824357 - Fri May 28 2004 07:39 PM Edit Reply Quote



i am pretty sure that the high quality stainless steel exhausts will out last the body, frame, motor, yeah probably anything on your truck. i think quite a few even come with a lifetime warranty.

Just my $.02

Scott

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Best #'s to date 400hp and no TQ number, lost the Tach signal

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Re: Taking the plunge [Re: jones]
#1824363 - Fri May 28 2004 07:47 PM Edit Reply Quote



Ditch the Quad box and get a TS chip and a DPP exhaust along with the other things that you ordered. My TS chip has only made my mileage better, you can keep it on sane programs when you are just driving around and then kick in the insanity when some idiot in a Civic needs to get blown away. I have a friend with a Cummins Dodge who had a Quad box that held his throttle wide open when it malfunctioned, he was doing 80 in a 35 when he turned his truck off, wouldn't recommend one to someone that I liked. Also I have 5inch exhaust and a spare, its useless but it is there. If you want it to be loud get 5inch w/o muffler it will be almost the same on the inside but when you pass a car or get next to a wall on the freeway you will hear what you are missing.

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#1828388 - Tue Jun 01 2004 08:39 AM Edit Reply Quote



How long have you been driving your TS chip?

I put the Quadzilla in on Saturday. I took it for a spin, and it supplied a grin

Since I don't have my gauges yet, I'm not ready to truly play. I just ran it through the gears a couple of times, and used the highest setting to pass 3 cars on a two-lane without downshifting. The SES light came on after about 10-15 seconds at WOT, so I let up and switched Quadzilla off. A few moments later the SES light went off. My code scanner is at a friend's house in the next county, so I haven't been able to check it yet. My guess is turbo over-boost.

I'm not using it again until I've got my gauges and bleed valve in.

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#1828654 - Tue Jun 01 2004 11:50 AM Edit Reply Quote



I also have a Quadzilla Stealth and like it alot, stock exhaust with AIS intake. I noticed you mentioned "off" on your Quad when I purchased mine I was under the assumption that it was 15-40-70 on the switch settings, no "off". The info supplied with the unit makes no mention of the settings. The 15 hp setting is toward the notch on the switch, something else I was told. With the switch in the mid position I average about 20-22 lbs boost when running through the gears (also 6 speed ) and about 700-800 egt's. Have not yet tried the 70 hp mode yet I have the cobalt gauges on the "a" pillar and like them alot.

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Re: Taking the plunge [Re: Daisy096]
#1829032 - Tue Jun 01 2004 03:59 PM Edit Reply Quote



I have had the TS chip a little over a month and really love it, before the TS I had a Banks Ottomind chip that was okay but it was nothing compared to the TS. Maybe if you are richer than I am you could get a TS chip to try out, I bet if you did that Quad box would be in the for sale section.

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2001 F-350 CrewCab SB Lariat 5inch straight piped exhaust with 6inch Magnaflow tip, Tymar intake, Banks Turbo housing and high compression wheel, Banks intercooler, TS chip 50-76-125-Fuel7, 2003 headlights, SilverStars, APC clear turn signals, Mag Hytec diff. cover, Banks pyro and boost gauge, Bull bar w/ PIAA lights, Billet grilles,Line-x, 8inch Fabtech w/ Edge/Deaver front springs, Dual Fox 2.0 Emulsions frt. and single Foxes rear, Fabtech dual shock hoop, Fox steering stabilizer, Fabtech adj. pan rod bar, 17x12 Weld Cheyenne 8's, 38-15.50-17 PJ's, Yukon 4.56 gears, Warn Premium hubs

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Loc: Ft. Worth Weldon Carter Re: Taking the plunge [Re: Daisy096]
#1829062 - Tue Jun 01 2004 04:22 PM Edit Reply Quote



if you have a older Stealth box you are correct in that there isn't a off position. 15-40-70.

As for a chip of any manufacturer (Quadzilla has chips also) you have to clean the board on the ECM and leave a permanent trace of your doing so. This is not a problem for the majority of us but for some they don't want a tell-tale sign of mod's. Take for example my wifes PSD "X" I didn't want a chip in it for those reasons. I can probablly walk her through the removal of the Stealth, but a chip no way. Tuners are good for this purpose but i am scared to death of being challenged to a speed contest and being stuck in tow mode.

Choose what you want just as long as you understand the benefits of each.

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00' 250 SC 4X4, 4" Pro-Comp, 305/85r16e TOYO Open Country A/T's-,5100 Bilsteins,Pre-Pump, Zoodad,4" DP to 5" straight pipe out the right rear,Blitz Fatt DC turbo timer,homeade tymar,adj.pot,boost-pyro gauges, HPxover, Wicked Wheel and Quadzilla 4-pos custom chip, gutted EBPV.
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#1835126 - Sat Jun 05 2004 01:19 AM Edit Reply Quote




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Ditch the Quad box and get a TS chip and a DPP exhaust along with the other things that you ordered. My TS chip has only made my mileage better, you can keep it on sane programs when you are just driving around and then kick in the insanity when some idiot in a Civic needs to get blown away. I have a friend with a Cummins Dodge who had a Quad box that held his throttle wide open when it malfunctioned, he was doing 80 in a 35 when he turned his truck off, wouldn't recommend one to someone that I liked. Also I have 5inch exhaust and a spare, its useless but it is there. If you want it to be loud get 5inch w/o muffler it will be almost the same on the inside but when you pass a car or get next to a wall on the freeway you will hear what you are missing.


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That is actually not possible. I would like to hear this story, but I am pretty sure it is a story.

If you like the TS chip that is fantastic. You should also talk to the boys at the DFW dyno day as they got to see the TS vs Quadzilla on some 2002 trucks. The results were interesting. Funny thing is that our chip was just a standard 125. I believe the other guy had a 140 or something? He said it dynoed better last year?

For what this person wants I would recommend not getting a chip. For increased fuel mileage the module he has will not be beat. It is also much easier to remove than a chip, but is still adjustable on the fly unlike a programmer. If he wanted major power he would need to go to a chip.

Most people are not after every last horsepower they can get. Yes on this site there are a bunch of them, but that is not the norm.

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#1838104 - Mon Jun 07 2004 10:16 AM Edit Reply Quote




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For what this person wants I would recommend not getting a chip. For increased fuel mileage the module he has will not be beat.


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This is good to hear, and I've confirmed it. I averaged 19 mpg on my last two tanks, driving in the 40 hp setting.

I put the AFE intake on before a weekend trip. If I really stomp on it, I hear a weird squealing sound. I thought it might have been air leaking in through a gap in the rubber adapter, making a high-speed fart noise. I adjusted and re-tightened, and the noise went away for a while, and then came back. Could I be hearing my turbo bearings in their death throes?


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You have nailed it here. I'm not after major power. I'm after moderate power, adjustability, removeability, and improved efficiency.

By the way, my truck came equipped from the factory with several devices that prevent it from running away with me if the throttle sticks. The owner's manual refers to them as 'clutch,' 'brake,' and 'ignition switch.' Crazy, huh? Ford and their better ideas. Don't expect to go unmaimed and free if you kill somebody's kid while drag-racing in a 30 mph zone.

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#1838494 - Mon Jun 07 2004 02:07 PM Edit Reply Quote



My wifes made a similar noise stock (38k miles), I blaimed it on the fan Cluth, belt, or something similar. Still don't know for sure though.

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#1838765 - Mon Jun 07 2004 04:55 PM Edit Reply Quote



What does turbo flutter sound like?

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#1840246 - Tue Jun 08 2004 11:51 AM Edit Reply Quote



To eliminate this weird noise (see above), irreproduceable parked, should I:

a) add aftermarket compressor wheel
b) replace serpentine belt
c) add turbo air guide

d) surrender, do nothing, and get over it

e) some combination of a, b, & c

Thank you for your advice.

- Carl

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#1840415 - Tue Jun 08 2004 01:41 PM Edit Reply Quote



D: , but my explanation goes like this, "if it breaks leaks or pukes then fix it."

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00' 250 SC 4X4, 4" Pro-Comp, 305/85r16e TOYO Open Country A/T's-,5100 Bilsteins,Pre-Pump, Zoodad,4" DP to 5" straight pipe out the right rear,Blitz Fatt DC turbo timer,homeade tymar,adj.pot,boost-pyro gauges, HPxover, Wicked Wheel and Quadzilla 4-pos custom chip, gutted EBPV.
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#1842426 - Wed Jun 09 2004 02:53 PM Edit Reply Quote



I have a crazy question, crazy because I'm asking it AFTER I've received my pre-set 22 psi bleed valves:

Is the MAP sensor line that I installed a T into for my boost gauge a pressure line or a vacuum line?

I'd sure like to know before I put them on!

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#1842553 - Wed Jun 09 2004 04:12 PM Edit Reply Quote



pressure, if you are talking about the black rubber line that comes from the y and goes to the map sensor on the heater box.

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00' 250 SC 4X4, 4" Pro-Comp, 305/85r16e TOYO Open Country A/T's-,5100 Bilsteins,Pre-Pump, Zoodad,4" DP to 5" straight pipe out the right rear,Blitz Fatt DC turbo timer,homeade tymar,adj.pot,boost-pyro gauges, HPxover, Wicked Wheel and Quadzilla 4-pos custom chip, gutted EBPV.
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#1842636 - Wed Jun 09 2004 04:53 PM Edit Reply Quote



Yes, that's the one. And thank you. *whew*

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#1843718 - Thu Jun 10 2004 08:28 AM Edit Reply Quote



I put the gauges in. I powered them using the red wire with yellow trace. They come on with the headlights. It looks like some more probing is in order. I think the gauge lighting is a little too bright, and I am thinking of adding a resistor to the lighting circuit. With a little luck, and a little less rain, I hope to install the pyrometer probe, turbo timer, and bleed valve this afternoon.

I pushed the truck hard once and got to about 20 psi boost. I can't remember if I was in 40 or 70 mode. Is that about right, or is the computer defueling on account of possible overboost codes that would still require clearing?

Does the pressurized system have a pop-off valve from the factory?

- Carl

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#1843929 - Thu Jun 10 2004 10:21 AM Edit Reply Quote



Darth_Surplus,

straight pipe your stock one its realy easy! 1 hour at the most and $100-$200 later your done

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#1843936 - Thu Jun 10 2004 10:25 AM Edit Reply Quote



Darth , pull your light switch and tap into the dimmer wire in the switch. Mark

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#1844062 - Thu Jun 10 2004 11:38 AM Edit Reply Quote



The gauge lights ARE tapped into the dimmer switch. It's the gauge POWER that is only on with the headlights. The coloring scheme differs between my truck and the reference I was using. With the help of a friend, I will probe until I find the right wire. The muffler and CAT will be removed in a couple of weeks.

Is the noise I'm hearing, after installing the AFE Stage II, just normal wastegate noise?

Should I consider an aftermarket compressor wheel?

Is my computer in a de-fuel mode on account of my not clearing any codes that may have been thrown the 3 or 4 times the SES light came on? (it came on with WOT and +70 hp setting)

Does the pressurized intake system have a pop-off relief valve?

How much boost is my Quad tuner capable of creating?

You've got answers, I've got questions . . .

Thank you all for the help.

- Carl

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#1845492 - Fri Jun 11 2004 08:14 AM Edit Reply Quote



Update:

The gauges are now properly powered. The lights are a tad bright, so I will add a resistor to the lighting circuit. The turbo timer is installed and operational.

I was all set to install the pyrometer probe when I noticed that autometer left out the set screw. I sure am glad I didn't drill first and inspect the parts second.

I notice that while hitting second and third gears hard in the 70 hp setting, the boost approaches 23 or 24 psi quickly, then bounces down from there and holds at about 19 psi. It's still way faster and way better than factory

I will find a set screw, finish the pyrometer installation, and install the MAP boost line bleed valves this evening.

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#1846482 - Fri Jun 11 2004 08:30 PM Edit Reply Quote



GO WITH A 4" EXHAUST TURBO BACK. I GOT MINE OFF OF E-BAY FOR $300. YOU WONT BE SORRY. LOWER EGT & OH WHAT A AWESOME SOUND.

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#1849333 - Mon Jun 14 2004 08:52 AM Edit Reply Quote



Thank you. However, I'm not having EGT problems, as evidenced by my newly-installed pre-turbo probe. I'm having problems maintaining boost. I'm fairly sure it's de-fueling, even though I've installed a pair of 22 psi bleed valves.

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#1849717 - Mon Jun 14 2004 01:45 PM Edit Reply Quote



I'm not understanding your problems with the light's! If wired up correctly, while your lights are on you can turn down or turn off all of the dash lights and gauge lights. Your gauge lights should be controled by the dimmer just as the dash lights.

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They are. At any given dimmer setting, the gauges are WAY brighter than anything else on the dash. I've solved this problem.

Update: At lunch today, I ran it to near-redline at WOT in 2nd and 3rd. The boost went up to 23 briefly, and then sustained at 22. No de-fueling, no weird noises. In short, it acted just like it's supposed to. The only thing I've done is pull on the bleed valves a couple of times to make sure they're not sticking. I'll try it again on a hill tonight.

- Carl

Are you totally confused? I'm totally confused. Are you totally confused?

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Re-reading this thread, I find it amazing just how much information I've absorbed from reading these forums during the past couple of months.

I've since added a boost tube, and have purchased a Walker BTM, Tag I & II, and a wicked wheel to install, and am planning to do modifications to both vehicles to reduce air in the fuel.

The boost tube made the some of the weird noise go away. I have figured out that, once I stomped on it, the wastegate was staying open until the key was cycled. The boost tube allows it to close all the way once I'm off the throttle.

I think a lot of the noise issues I had early on weren't necessarily problems, but noises that had been occurring all along undetected. The addition of the aFe stage II allowed me to hear them.

The squeaky fart noise was a gasket leak on the aFe intake tube.

I got a hissing, howling noise trying to pull my van on a trailer up a hill at 55-60 mph in overdrive, with the Quadzilla tuner set to the 70 hp setting. I have since learned that this noise is turbo stall, and is bad for the turbo shaft. This ability to stall has been created by adding an extremely free-breathing intake, and doing nothing to improve the exhaust. I haven't used the 70 hp setting since I figured this out. The Walker Big Truck Muffler, a gutted cat, the wicked wheel, and the TAGs will all help to eliminate this stall phenomenon.

I'll add more here once I'm done.

My goal: 21 mpg

- Carl

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They are. At any given dimmer setting, the gauges are WAY brighter than anything else on the dash. I've solved this problem.

Update: At lunch today, I ran it to near-redline at WOT in 2nd and 3rd. The boost went up to 23 briefly, and then sustained at 22. No de-fueling, no weird noises. In short, it acted just like it's supposed to. The only thing I've done is pull on the bleed valves a couple of times to make sure they're not sticking. I'll try it again on a hill tonight.

- Carl

Are you totally confused? I'm totally confused. Are you totally confused?


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Carl,

Not sure what bleed valves you ended up getting, make sure they ahigh quality ones. I know you duplicated the system I have, and it seem to work for you. That is a known issue with some of the valves that are failing. The ones I have are tested and are accurate within 10%. Good luck with your venture.

PS: JEGS and SUmmit both offer a 4" turbi back exhaust systems for $299, I have installed both on different trucks, and it is well worth it. As yo have been letting more air in you engine, you need to allow it to escape out. Free more power.

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Darth_Surplus
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Loc: Southern Indiana Re: Taking the plunge [Re: wildbill1963]
#1949022 - Tue Aug 17 2004 01:31 PM Edit Reply Quote



I haven't been pushing the truck hard enough lately to open the bleed valves, but I'll watch for issues after I've installed this latest batch of parts.


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PS: JEGS and SUmmit both offer a 4" turbi back exhaust systems for $299, I have installed both on different trucks, and it is well worth it. As yo have been letting more air in you engine, you need to allow it to escape out. Free more power.



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My problem with this is threefold:

1) The thought of scrapping a perfectly good stainless exhaust system grieves my very soul. Let me wear it out or break it, first.

2) The cheap 4" systems receive poor reviews here on ease of installation. Ease of installation is very important to me. While no stranger to metal fabrication, I am effectively one-handed, maybe one-and-a-half-handed, due to nerve damage and muscle atrophy resulting from severely shattering my left arm in a motorcycle crash. It happened more than a year ago, and I'm still recovering.
In short, I ain't what I used to be, and I'm trying to be careful not to bite off more than I can chew. My truck is my daily driver.

3) If I go to all the trouble of fitting a 4" system, I'll gradually convince myself, as a matter of course, to add a Banks big head and an exhaust brake, while I'm at it, since all the parts are off and all the tools are out . . .

Several members here have indicated that the OEM muffler is 2/3 of the restriction. Considering the design of that muffler, it only makes sense to me. I've selected the Walker BTM for the truck. I'm considering the aeroturbine for my van.

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2002 F250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3PSD 6-Speed 3.73 L-S, Quadzilla Stealth Module, AFE Stage II Intake, Turbo Life Saver, MAP sensor boost relief valve, Boost Tube with 0.040" bleed hole, Cobalt pyro & boost gauges, Walker BTM, Wicked Wheel, TAG 1&2, AirDog, In-tank, Harpoon

2004 E350 XLT Wgn 6.0PSD 3.55 L-S TDM EZ-Entry 11 pass., AIC, SPDiesel EST

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Loc: Georgetown, TX Re: Taking the plunge [Re: Darth_Surplus]
#1949127 - Tue Aug 17 2004 03:01 PM Edit Reply Quote



The System from Jegs and Summit are not hard to installm, and nor are cheap quality. They are the same systems sold for $499 in most places using the same turbine muffler. They are aluminized and mandarel bent. Theor packaging needs work, but over all it took me and a second set of hands 2 hours to install including removal of the old system using the saw-zaw method.

While the factory muffler has restrictions, so does the down pipe. Diesel engine run better, and cooler with more air flowing through the system in and out.

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Loc: Southern Indiana Re: Taking the plunge [Re: wildbill1963]
#2284680 - Fri Feb 25 2005 10:00 AM Edit Reply Quote



Well, letís see, it has been a while since I updated this thread, which I suppose I am informally treating as a blog for my progress on my truck.

The wicked wheel, TAG I & II, and the Walker Big Truck Muffler have all been on the truck since August or September. I disconnected the wastegate when I installed the WW & TAGs. The turbo surge and stall seem to be gone, but there have been a few times when I wondered if I wasnít close to stall. The TAGs help to quiet down the WW a little bit. The truck just rumbles, frankly, both from the Walker BTM and the AFE Stage II.

Iíve noticed lately that my boost gauge will go all the way to 25 psi and stay there. Itís been a two or three months since I last switched it to the +70 hp mode and stomped on it, but previously the gauge would go to about 24, and then bounce down to 22. I figured that this was the MAP sensor relief valves opening, since my gauge and the valves are all in the same boost line.

I did the in-tank mods and installed the AirDog last night. What a chore! I canít even fathom how you guys do it without a lift! I had to trim the bed channel nut plate to clear a bolt that fastens a running board support to the side of the bed channel. I mounted the main bracket too close to the parking brake cable, so I trimmed two bolts with a cutoff wheel. Thank you FordMasterTech for identifying the wire for the relay. Itís orangish-pink with a slim black stripe, and is easy to trace because it exits a large bundle in a smaller bundle right before it goes to the OEM pump. I verified this wire by removing it from the connector head, reconnecting the connector, and turning the key to on. No fuel pump running meant I had the right wire. The wiring went uncharacteristically smoothly. I should have used the cutoff wheel to cut the pickup tube to length. I used a miniature pipe cutter, and it pressed a lot of flashing into the bore of the tube. I worked on this flashing with a rat-tail file and an alignment pin. I think that hammering on the assembly with the alignment pin may have been the mistake. I filled up afterwards, and the fuel gauge moved very, very slowly upwards. It was reading ĺ tank after my hour and twenty minute drive home, and normally would have been pegged beyond full. I filled it to the brim. Iím going to try contact cleaner on the sender connector, but I really expect that my worst fear is going to come true: Iíve damaged my float assembly, and can only fix it by dropping the tank again.

The quick-connect fitting that came with the AirDog for the suction side of the OEM fuel pump was defective, causing a leak, so my buddy and I wracked our brains and tried different things until we Hoosier-rigged something that would allow me to drive home. We piggy-backed the ĹĒ AirDog line over the factory suction-side fuel pump fitting with a hose clamp. I expected this to take 2.5 hours, but I was at it for seven hours, with help for four hours.

I had a hard time noticing a difference. At first, of course, there was no difference. Finally, what happened is that the turbo whistle, intake rumble and tire hum started getting louder. I was cruising on the interstate at 70mph. That is when I realized that I was getting air-free fuel, and that it was making a difference. Boost was at 5 psi, which might be 1 psi lower than before. EGTs were still at 700. Frankly, it is still a loud truck, but one of the components of the noise is gone. That is why it can be difficult to notice the difference. The engine still clatters, but the high-pitched sub-component of the clatter is all but gone. My mid-range cackle now encompasses a much smaller range. My AirDog doesnít resonate my bedside.

I would say that there is somewhere between a 5% and 15% reduction in overall noise level at cruise. The removal of the higher-pitched ranges of clatter noise is mostly perceived as an increase in smoothness. In +40 hp mode, I stomped on it in third gear and let it run to redline three times. Now THAT is where the true difference is! It runs a LOT smoother at high rpms at high load. The reduction in noise level is also more noticeable under these conditions. I cannot say with confidence that the truck is any quieter at idle.

I have to go back soon and put a proper connector on the fuel pump, clean the sender connector, and finish covering the AirDog fuel lines with wire loom. (All the local parts store had was six feet of it)

My plans for the near future include improved fuel feed lines, adding regulated return lines, changing out injector LL8, CCV mod, new intercooler boots, a Turbomaster boost controller, rerouting my boost gauge via the AIH delete mod, 203* thermostat and billet housing, and a high-pressure oil crossover line. I want it to run smoother, based on the unsubstantiated theory that this will make it last longer. Also, based on Einsteinís theory of time dilation of relative unnecessary work, all of the above will probably take a week or more for me to complete. (Relative unnecessary work is work that your relatives donít believe is necessary)

Someday I ought to put those Velvet-Ride Shackles on, too.

My ponderings for the distant future include a banks power elbow and four-inch exhaust with brake. I really need to work on the van before I consider this for the truck.

What I really should do next is put the gauges in the van. Iíve got the gauge mount for the van. It sticks to the windshield above the rear-view mirror. Iíve painted it all pretty, and drilled it for the secondary dimmer switch. Iíve got VR shackles I need to put on the van, too. I have devised a method, requiring custom tooling, for harpooning the metal vent tube in the vanís tank. Then I need to investigate intake and exhaust options for the van. I have an idea for funneling some ram air into the factory filter box, and also to blow across the top of the engine. The van might be the beneficiary of the truckís Walker BTM, if I go with a 4Ē system on the truck. Though of the two, frankly, the van needs the cooling benefits of a 4Ē system more. I might just remove the muffler, or cobble up some parts to make it 4 inches from the cat back. The trouble is with the downpipe. Itís flattened for legitimate clearance purposes. The van has a louder clatter at idle than the truck. Itís going to get an AirDog, and I wonder if it would benefit from a regulated return system. I have also considered a Quadzilla stealth module for the van, but this wouldnít be done for several years.

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2002 F250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3PSD 6-Speed 3.73 L-S, Quadzilla Stealth Module, AFE Stage II Intake, Turbo Life Saver, MAP sensor boost relief valve, Boost Tube with 0.040" bleed hole, Cobalt pyro & boost gauges, Walker BTM, Wicked Wheel, TAG 1&2, AirDog, In-tank, Harpoon

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Re: Taking the plunge [Re: Darth_Surplus]
#2285163 - Fri Feb 25 2005 03:05 PM Edit Reply Quote



remove cat and muff is not a good idea (25k fine for that.)
ever run a mile with your mouth and nose wide open ?
save your money

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Darth_Surplus
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Loc: Southern Indiana Re: Taking the plunge [Re: globey]
#2285193 - Fri Feb 25 2005 03:28 PM Edit Reply Quote



Huh?

Do you know anyone who has ever been fined anything for modifying their exhaust, much less $25k?


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nose wide open


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This scares me just to think about it. I think I can twitch my nose, a little bit.


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save your money


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An excellent idea! That way I can afford a stainless exhaust system!

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2002 F250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3PSD 6-Speed 3.73 L-S, Quadzilla Stealth Module, AFE Stage II Intake, Turbo Life Saver, MAP sensor boost relief valve, Boost Tube with 0.040" bleed hole, Cobalt pyro & boost gauges, Walker BTM, Wicked Wheel, TAG 1&2, AirDog, In-tank, Harpoon

2004 E350 XLT Wgn 6.0PSD 3.55 L-S TDM EZ-Entry 11 pass., AIC, SPDiesel EST

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