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08-16-2019 05:12 PM
DonWarkentin
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Originally Posted by ArcticDriver View Post
I did not realize they had decreased maintenance.
Interesting.



Here's a list just to start.

Electric vehicle

No oil changes.
No fuel filter changes.
No air filter changes.
Brakes last twice as long because of regenerative braking.
No starter.
No exhaust system.
No muffler.
No catalytic converter.
No water pump.
No radiator.
No thermostat.
No serpentine belt.
No fuel injectors.
No HPOP.

Starting to get the picture?
08-16-2019 02:49 PM
ArcticDriver
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Originally Posted by DonWarkentin View Post
Mercedes Benz has delivered ten electric trucks so far.
Tesla semi truck on the road real life conditions gets 600 miles range with 75,000 lb load.
Two freightliner eCascadia electric semis are built and will be put into use this month with 250 miles range.
Fedex has had electric trucks built by Navistar that last an entire eight hour shift before recharging in use on the road since 2010.
Electric vehicles have down time for recharging. Because of the decreased maintenance downtime for electric vehicles, the electric vehicles have the advantage over the lifetime of the vehicle.
I did not realize they had decreased maintenance.
Interesting.
08-16-2019 12:27 PM
DonWarkentin Mercedes Benz has delivered ten electric trucks so far.
Tesla semi truck on the road real life conditions gets 600 miles range with 75,000 lb load.
Two freightliner eCascadia electric semis are built and will be put into use this month with 250 miles range.
Fedex has had electric trucks built by Navistar that last an entire eight hour shift before recharging in use on the road since 2010.
Electric vehicles have down time for recharging. Because of the decreased maintenance downtime for electric vehicles, the electric vehicles have the advantage over the lifetime of the vehicle.
08-16-2019 09:10 AM
ArcticDriver
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Originally Posted by searcyfarms View Post

ya read a little on one - 500 miles max on a charge then 2 hours of charge for another 300 miles

battery life 10yrs max, 10% loss per year on battery life
Those are acceptable distances for inner-city trucking and rail intermodal yards. The downside is lost time while recharging when running a 24-hour operation.
08-16-2019 08:16 AM
Big Horn A “picture” is worth a thousand words.
08-15-2019 09:50 PM
searcyfarms
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Originally Posted by DonWarkentin View Post
Volvo, Mercedes Benz, Mack, Peterbilt, Freightliner, Volkswagen all have already begun selling 100% electric trucks or are scheduled to start selling them this year. That's not 10 or 20 years in the pie in the sky future. That is right now. Yes, there is enormous demand for electric trucks.
ya read a little on one - 500 miles max on a charge then 2 hours of charge for another 300 miles

battery life 10yrs max, 10% loss per year on battery life
08-14-2019 01:45 AM
klhansen Moved to Other Technical Questions. Getting a little far afield to be in 2017 & Up general questions.
08-13-2019 11:12 PM
DonWarkentin Volvo, Mercedes Benz, Mack, Peterbilt, Freightliner, Volkswagen all have already begun selling 100% electric trucks or are scheduled to start selling them this year. That's not 10 or 20 years in the pie in the sky future. That is right now. Yes, there is enormous demand for electric trucks.
08-13-2019 09:49 AM
searcyfarms Don, im not trying to be a poop here im trying to understand how the manufacturers drinking some environmental Kool-Aide imagine something like this will ever fly.

Its like they forgot all about the consumer and are so caught up in their agenda they have lost perspective but maybe i am just too narrow minded to see it
08-13-2019 09:47 AM
searcyfarms i was trying to be graceful at 10K instead of extreme - standard battery pack on F150 is 87 miles but they are adding more batteries at an increased cost that only last 10yrs to the tune of 2500 for the standard battery replacements so add the extra cost for more mileage, add the extra cost for more batteries at purchase, then the extra cost for replacements at 10K miles and the added charge time for the bigger batteries you get more reasons to steer away.

That being said i get it, there are reasons to go there, and there are Battery powered Semi Trucks with a range of 500miles and a 90 minute - 80% charge that will take them another appx 300 miles - but for a consumer situation its a hard sell.

We dont want to have to wait on charging to do something, we dont want to wait on anything, we want to go and go when we want and do it now with NO restrictions. We dont want to have to jack with chargers in our homes or added expense to put one in. We dont want to have to find a place to charge, we dont want to be sitting in the middle of no where for 90 minutes to wait to be able to continue our trip or have to plan our trip so we make sure we can charge our vehicle to get where we are going - in 10 yrs maybe it will be better but by that time it will be something new in another direction and those vehicles will be sitting around with unusable batteries - IE...........how many ford/chevy electric/hybrids have already been abandoned? I will pick on the cMax a good friend i work with bought one and so did his dad on the same day - both got the extended batteries for extra mileage - while they like them and have had ok service from them - a few quirks and trips back to the dealer and a couple recalls. Biggest complaint.............loss of battery charge/distance loss. In the 4yrs he has lost 40% of his capacity so about 10 %/yr which is from the sounds of things is on track.

So the first year my truck goes 250 miles the next year it goes 225 and at 4 yrs im at 150 miles, im sorry but thats HORRIBLE and that is a tough sell.

Rarely is anyone that uses a pickup using it empty in ideal conditions without the a/c running or wind reduction or weight added so that 300 number is exaggerated to begin with. My friend and his dad out of the gate only got about 85% of the claimed distance BRAND NEW. In the winter its about 50% with the added friction of cold bearings/thick oils/heater/blower/add night time and lights and you are draining things fast.

You will get some tree huggers to bite and some thrill seekers and techy nerds but you wont get the majority of the folks that USE trucks to bite, we dont want to be inconvenienced by something we want improvement over waht we have which is EXACTLY why I said - you will get the adrenaline junkies to bite on a gasser with ego splitting Cu In displacement but the guys that are wanting reliability, cost savings, better mileage, will be the ones holding things back.

This is why i used the example of the 6.2 mileage, not picking on it or any other it was just the REAL data i had from a REAL person USING one and not getting the kids from soccer practice.

FORD has not done any better in 40 + yrs in regards to fuel consumption ( ie a 1975 460 with a 4bbl gets just as good as a 2018 6.2 with all its technological advances ) - we could likely say that for any other manufacturer as well.

Why is that? I smell cahoots..............

Its like a computer video game trying to figure out where we will end up on the road in an Electric Vehicle, it takes more than a math equation to figure out where we will be when we run out of power...........does anyone think people will flock to that?

I think not
08-13-2019 12:00 AM
DonWarkentin
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Originally Posted by searcyfarms View Post
i dont think a battery powered f250/350 will drag a load of cows/excavator weighing 10K lbs very far, current distance on a standard battery pack on an F150 is 87 miles EMPTY

thats going to be a tough sell for most fellas trying to get something done
The range is up to 300 miles for the all electric F150, and it seems to be getting better all the time.

https://electrek.co/2019/01/16/ford-...-pickup-truck/

I didn't say that Ford already has an F250/350 that can pull 35,000 lbs for 500 miles before needing a recharge. But it won't be very many years before it will be available for sale.
08-12-2019 09:21 PM
searcyfarms i dont think a battery powered f250/350 will drag a load of cows/excavator weighing 10K lbs very far, current distance on a standard battery pack on an F150 is 87 miles EMPTY

thats going to be a tough sell for most fellas trying to get something done
08-12-2019 08:45 PM
DonWarkentin Here in Southern California, we already have 100% electric FedEx delivery trucks. Advantages are: low maintenance costs, low fuel costs, greater longevity, greater reliability, greater torque at lower rpms. Total costs over the lifetime of the truck is lower for electric than for diesel. Initial cost is higher for electric, but the savings on maintenance and fuel make the electric the better choice over the long run.
08-12-2019 04:36 PM
ArcticDriver Here in CO, everyone knows 5G is all about the governments desire for mind control of the population.

😉
08-12-2019 10:41 AM
searcyfarms not to get side tracked into technology but we are talking about gasser/diesel/electric and the movement of that technology - here is WHY the gov't has blessed the 5G technology so much and is embracing the abilities to move it forward even quicker - IE......sprint/Tmo merger - funding for companies to expand it quicker and $$$$ to borrow/grant to do it.

Cars will have the ability to be fully driven by automation due to the real time speed/technology of 5G, with that automation comes instantaneous data capture, where are the cars, where are the accidents, where are the people traveling, where did they go, how long were they here, what did they buy while they were there, where did they charge/fuel, how long did that route take, how many vehicles did they pass, were they speeding, blah blah blah you get the picture

with all of that data capture, we will be driven by market/advertising/control

we will lose the ability to travel freely, the automation will enable control of our automated driverless vehicle with 5G - we get in, it will require us to type in our destination, it routes us and all the other cars in the area to navigate around congestion because its real time - you will need to put in EVERY place you want to stop/go by on the way or you will not be able to do that.

you will get route options but at some point you will be directed w/out a choice due to lets say a major event like accident, sporting event, this is a convenience maybe but what about the 99% of the other time when you are being tracked like a criminal - we are VERY close to this, insurance agencies are a big lobby for this also for the data on their insured.

It you think america has lost their ever loving mind to technology and convenience we are paying a dear price for it. What our ancestors left behind is all falling in our laps due to our own foolish choices.

Some would debate already we have lost our freedom vs just losing it but there is no question our forefathers are rolling in their graves watching us implode.
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