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2002 350 SD loud fan-like noise and occasional whine

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Howdy all,

I have a 2002 F-350 turbo diesel, 4x4, crew cab, long bed, dually with just over 180k miles on it (this week as it gets driven a lot)- 50% of the milage heavy towing. So far so good except for the loud fan-like noise I am now hearing and the occasional whine from underneath. I can still drag a stock Cummings like it was a trailer provided there is enough traction and drift (yes DRIFT) the truck on most corners coming home from work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The fan-like noise can happen warm or cold but always when asking the truck to move. Never stationary. At first I considered the cooling fan on the engine- but that should not be kicking in when it is just started up and put into motion. It is also something I can’t quite see while rolling down the road.

Sometimes, I can nearly complete a 30 mile trip and never hear the sound only to have it kick in as I start moving again at the stop sign down the street from my house. Occasionally, it seems a little hesitant to shift (only when fan sound is already present) and if I keep pushing down on the accelerator I get a terrible whine. The whine will go away as soon as I let up on the accelerator or the transmission up-shifts.

Please tell me this is a cheap fix! The truck already ate a starter, an alternator and 2 batteries this winter! All these parts were original equipment but still not easy to suck up in such a short period. I know I am doing very well for the (mileage) life I have gotten out of the transmission and the harsh treatment it has gotten throughout its pretty short life.

It is getting time for an oil change and a transmission fluid change as well due to mileage. The trans fluid is exactly at the right marks and looks as new as when I put it in, there is no sign of metal flakes in it or even any discoloration or burnt smell- Is a change of the fluid likely to even help or be about $100 wasted that I could put to an upgrade?
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The fan-like noise can happen warm or cold but always when asking the truck to move. Never stationary. At first I considered the cooling fan on the engine- but that should not be kicking in when it is just started up and put into motion. It is also something I can’t quite see while rolling down the road.

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Working as designed. I'll explain in more detail below.

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Sometimes, I can nearly complete a 30 mile trip and never hear the sound only to have it kick in as I start moving again at the stop sign down the street from my house. Occasionally, it seems a little hesitant to shift (only when fan sound is already present) and if I keep pushing down on the accelerator I get a terrible whine. The whine will go away as soon as I let up on the accelerator or the transmission up-shifts.

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Okay, here's the deal. The fan drive engages based on the temperature of the air coming out of the heat exchangers in front of the fan. At about 185F air temp (and look up a half-dozen recent posts from me about why this air temp is less than the coolant temp), the fan drive engages. Now, while you're running down the road, pulling your trailer (or not: on a hot day, with the AC on, mine will do this without the trailer), stuff is making heat, but there's air flowing through thanks to the vehicle speed. Now you come to a stoplight. Air basically stops. Air temp goes up -- there's still all that heat to deal with -- and the fan drive engages. But... it's not turning fast enough to be audible until the light changes and you accelerate away. You'll probably start to hear the fan somewhere above 1600-1800 engine RPM (I hear mine at about 1400-1500, but I'm also someone who is very well-tuned to this particular sound since it's key to what I do for a living).

And now you're up to speed again, air is moving through the exchangers, the air temp drops, and the fan drive disengages, lowering the fan speed enough that the noise goes away. Only to return at the next stoplight.

That part of it is entirely normal. It'll also do it after sitting overnight -- this is called "morning sickness" by fan drive engineers -- and will take a little bit for the drive to "pump out" when you first pull away in the morning.
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Okay, you've got a 23.25" diameter, 9-blade fan, with about a 3" pitch to the blades. Spin it up over 1800 or so RPM. Guess what? It's gonna make a lot of noise as it moves all that air!

It sounds like a whooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO as it engages. It's not subtle. And it's entirely normal.
Drone is something else unrelated to cooling, not my area of specialty. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Okay, let's make sure I have this straight:

You overloaded the truck. It made a scraping sound. You took it in and had fluids serviced, then overloaded it again and it did not make a scraping sound this time. That about right?

My guess here is that you compressed the rear suspension onto the overload springs -- and then some, and your metal-to-metal scraping sound was from the spring packs. Or the slip spline on the propshaft bottoming out by the carrier bearing. Or both.
May have just been a heat shield or something (skid plate?) loose and rattling in resonance, and in the process of dropping the pan on the trans, it got retightened, then.
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