[Rnmst]

I dont think ford changed any rear ends or any other drive line components on the 2016 because i have a 2016 and i have same crap issues everyone else is having. They may be changing things for the new 2017 but i will never know because this is the last powerstroke ill ever own. I have read forum after forum since ive had this truck and there are many opinions on this issue. I dont know what it is but i think ive had enough. I switched my tapered blocks to flat blocks hoping it might fix my vibration problems and unfortunately, no luck, still vibrates and hops. My next step is removing the lift, returning it to stock and selling it, and selling wheels, tires and lift seperately. Ive had this truck 7 months and i absolutely hate it! One thing im still wondering, are the gas burners having same issues with vibration and rear end hop is is it only powerstrokes?

 

[Thom12]

I dont think ford changed any rear ends or any other drive line components on the 2016 because i have a 2016 and i have same crap issues everyone else is having. They may be changing things for the new 2017 but i will never know because this is the last powerstroke ill ever own. I have read forum after forum since ive had this truck and there are many opinions on this issue. I dont know what it is but i think ive had enough. I switched my tapered blocks to flat blocks hoping it might fix my vibration problems and unfortunately, no luck, still vibrates and hops. My next step is removing the lift, returning it to stock and selling it, and selling wheels, tires and lift seperately. Ive had this truck 7 months and i absolutely hate it! One thing im still wondering, are the gas burners having same issues with vibration and rear end hop is is it only powerstrokes?

Very interesting question......

 

[Straeter]

Well in case anyone was wondering, it looks like we're not the only brand having this problem, as I thought to just trade mine in for a Chevy, but I've been reading stuff about them having the same exact problem at the same speeds!

Mysterious, Unfixable 'Chevy Shake' Affecting Pickup Trucks Too » AutoGuide.com News

Also this link Shake/Vibration FIX - 2014 / 2015 / 2016 Silverado & Sierra Issues, Troubleshooting, & Recalls/Service Bulletins - GM-Trucks.com shows a guy blaming the body mounts with a lot of technical engineer type stuff that I can understand, but not talk intelligently about. What makes the most sense is supposedly the mfg of the body mounts makes them for pretty much all the American made trucks and would explain why this is happening in 1500 and the HD Chevy's and ours. It would be nice if we had a Ford engineer or technical person that could confirm or deny that.

 

[Maryland dieselnick]

So what's the latest with these Ford cases?

 

[2012fx4]

I have a vibration in my 2012 F250 FX4 that has been to 2 different dealerships. First dealer told me they did not have the right tools to fix it and find another dealer. 2nd dealer said it was normal and I explained when I pull a trailer the truck is 10X worse so they said bring it back with your 30' 75k boat attached and leave it so they can have another look. Yeah right, I will make sure and fill up the boat with gas for you too when I drop it off. Real convenient right? I can't believe a company like Ford would have such crappy service with a known issue and be stuck with problem truck. It has been doing it for around 20k miles and my warranty is about to run out. I have a feeling it is going to really break and then it will be on my dime. Any good advice besides sell it and buy a GMC? It is my first diesel and had every intention of driving it 200k miles but sure don't think that will happen or the truck will make it.

 

[Straeter]

Well mine is a standard box, but this looks like it could be a TSB for the exact problem we're having. Ford TSB 16-0087.

CREW CAB PICKUP -8 FOOT BOX -VIBRATION/HOP -68-112 KM/H
TSB 16-0087
(42-70 MPH)-FACTORY TRAILER HITCH
FORD:
2011 -2016 F-Super Duty
ISSUE
Some 2011-2016 F-Super Duty crew cab pickup vehicles equipped with an 8 foot box and a factory trailer hitch may exhibit a vertical vibration, often described as hopping, from 68-112 Km/h (42-70 MPH).
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
1. Does the customer describe a vibration, which may be described as hopping, at approximately 68-110 Km/h (42-70 MPH)?
a.
Yes -proceed to Step 2.
b.
No -this article does not apply. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 100-04 for normal diagnostics.
2. Does the vehicle have a cage damper mounted to the factory trailer hitch on the driver side? (Figure 1)
TB10877A
Figure 1 -Article 16-0087
a.
Yes -this article does not apply. Refer to WSM, Section 100-04 for normal diagnostics.
b.
No -proceed to Step 3.
3. Remove the wiring connector on the driver side of the trailer hitch. (Figure 2)
4. Locate in the driver side plate of the trailer hitch the following holes. (Figure 3)
a.
Clearance hole 17.6 mm (11/16"). The clearance hole will be used for the cage damper rubber pad. (Figure 3A)
b.
Three mounting holes 14.6 mm (9/16"). (Figure 38)
TB10879A
Figure 3 -Article 16-0087
5. Mount the cage damper and install the bolts. Tighten to 63 Nm (46 Ib-ft). (Figure 4)
TB10880A
Figure 4 -Article 16-0087
PART NUMBER PART NAME
9C3Z-5DOO8-B Damper Assembly W706496-S439 80lt (3 Req)

 

[Thom12]

Well mine is a standard box, but this looks like it could be a TSB for the exact problem we're having. Ford TSB 16-0087.

CREW CAB PICKUP -8 FOOT BOX -VIBRATION/HOP -68-112 KM/H
TSB 16-0087
(42-70 MPH)-FACTORY TRAILER HITCH
FORD:
2011 -2016 F-Super Duty
ISSUE
Some 2011-2016 F-Super Duty crew cab pickup vehicles equipped with an 8 foot box and a factory trailer hitch may exhibit a vertical vibration, often described as hopping, from 68-112 Km/h (42-70 MPH).
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
1. Does the customer describe a vibration, which may be described as hopping, at approximately 68-110 Km/h (42-70 MPH)?
a.
Yes -proceed to Step 2.
b.
No -this article does not apply. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 100-04 for normal diagnostics.
2. Does the vehicle have a cage damper mounted to the factory trailer hitch on the driver side? (Figure 1)
TB10877A
Figure 1 -Article 16-0087
a.
Yes -this article does not apply. Refer to WSM, Section 100-04 for normal diagnostics.
b.
No -proceed to Step 3.
3. Remove the wiring connector on the driver side of the trailer hitch. (Figure 2)
4. Locate in the driver side plate of the trailer hitch the following holes. (Figure 3)
a.
Clearance hole 17.6 mm (11/16"). The clearance hole will be used for the cage damper rubber pad. (Figure 3A)
b.
Three mounting holes 14.6 mm (9/16"). (Figure 38)
TB10879A
Figure 3 -Article 16-0087
5. Mount the cage damper and install the bolts. Tighten to 63 Nm (46 Ib-ft). (Figure 4)
TB10880A
Figure 4 -Article 16-0087
PART NUMBER PART NAME
9C3Z-5DOO8-8 Damper Assembly W706496-S439 80lt (3 Req)

Well that looks like Ford has finally admitted to the problem..... except they tried this before in earlier year models:





INSTALL DAMPER SERVICE KIT - 5C3Z-5D008-A :SOME 2005-2007 F-SUPER DUTY VEHICLES WITH A LONG WHEELBASE (156", 158", OR 172")(396, 401, OR 437 CM) AND EQUIPPED WITH A HITCH MAY EXHIBIT A VEHICLE VERTICAL VIBRATION, OFTEN DESCRIBED AS "HOPPING", ON SMOOTH OR COARSE ROAD SURFACES IN THE 42 48 MPH (68-77 KM/H) SPEED RANGE. ALTHOUGH THIS BEHAVIOR IS CONSIDERED NORMAL FOR AN OVER 8500 GVW TRUCK, SOME CUSTOMERS MAY BE SENSITIVE TO THE CONCERN. TO IMPROVE THE 42 48 MPH (68-77 KM/H) VERTICAL VIBRATION, FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION SHEET INCLUDED IN THE SERVICE KIT. NOTE: THE INSTALLATION OF THIS DAMPER WILL NOT IMPROVE RIDE ON SEGMENTED CONCRETE HIGHWAYS, STEERING WHEEL VIBRATION/SHIMMY, OR GENERAL HARSH RIDE CONCERNS.

Hey Crystal or Ashley,
Since I have been fighting this issue for over six years, will Ford perform this TSB for free on my truck???????

 

[Shooteris1]

Im willing to pay and try this fix myself if it helps. I treid looking up the part numbers and could only find one. which was the bolts?? any one know where to get the first part or is the fix the bolts??? Thanks!

PART NUMBER PART NAME
9C3Z-5DOO8-8 Damper Assembly
W706496-S439 80lt (3 Req)

 

[Rnmst]

I couldnt find anything on web with this tsb #, and my dealer states they dont have record of this tsb on this year truck.

 

[Rnmst]

I dont know what this cage damper looks like so i can determine if i have one or not.

 

[Garyl53]

I think the pn is incorrect. Try this one:

pn 9C3Z-5D008-B DAMPER

 

[Straeter]

I think the pn is incorrect. Try this one:

pn 9C3Z-5D008-B DAMPER

That PN above is correct and should show you the correct picture of it when google'd. Sorry my scanning software must have done the last digit as an 8 instead of a B when it OCR'd it. Basically its just a damper to soak up the harmonic vibrations. I've not tried it yet, but I'm trying to get a dealer to attempt to do it for me. Although I'd be curious if removing the rear hitch would stop it from happening being that both of those TSBs show "with a rear hitch". But seriously, why would anyone buy a truck this size if you weren't towing stuff with it?

 

[Straeter]

I found a fix for the vibration. I traded mine in for a Silverado 2500HD. Rides like a dream... Ford didn't want to do anymore work on it and was told "that's normal for a 3/4 ton truck"... Well some do it, some don't, I don't consider it normal, but I don't have to worry about it anymore. Even a local service manager told me my only option was to trade it in...

 

[Tadpull]

Don't get to excited about installing these dampers guy's, I had one installed on my SWB and it helped very little. I say little because it did seem to help but no where near a "proper fix". These were designed for the LWB trucks and they had some success with it however, it doesn't fix the problem on all trucks especially the SWB. I have been spending a great deal of time on my truck with a local drive train specialist and have found some very interesting things. I will keep ya'll posted but lets just say, I have new axles on the way! (fingers crossed)

 

[Doradodaniel]

Ford Super duty vibration issue and cause 1996 to 2004 tire size were 235 /85 /16 31.7 tall and rev per mile 656 also 265/75/16 31.6 tall and rev per 657 . they have no issue in tech support for vibrations . IN 2005 Ford went to a 245 /75/17 31.5 tall and rev per mile 660 and 265/70/17 31.6 tall 657 rev per a mile . in 2005 the vibration issue just started as per tsb 07-05-11 all wheel base 156' 158' 172' from 2005 to 2007 .In 2008 to 2010 no mention of vibration from ford tsb .But lets continue 2008 Ford went to 275/70/18 33.2 tall 627 rev per mile and 275/65/20 34 tall 610 rev per mile . i refer you to fords tsb 16-0087 for 2011 to 2016 they know they have a problem with vibrations now starting in 2005 . I refer you to ford tire balance service book 204-04 specs on tire run out .0045 or less is good .The radial run out is check on the hunter GSP 9700 while on the machine it may test good . However on the truck it will not . IF flange run out out of spec .001 or more for every .001 of run out it will throw the road force balance out of spec . Buy 1 to 3 pounds so .002 flange run out can throw road force balance out of spec by 6 pounds and so fourth . Fords road force balance max spec is 35 pounds . so if you have your tire balance to the max spec with a out of round of hub you get the vibration or hopping . With the taller tire slinging a out of balance or out of round tire or a hub that flange face or hub center out of round increased road force out balance feeling . This explains why some do and some don't .Its a combination of parts and machining errors . FORD doesn't want to address or for you to know about it . If you look at the F450 they come standard with the vibration damper tire size 225/70/19.5 32.2 tall MAX SPEED 75 MPH rating and rev per mile 647 this has to due with the weight of the tire and ballooning effect like dragster tire . The flange run out and road force balance all play into the vibration issue . IF any one part is off your going to have a issue . For those not mechanically inclined here is a simple test via fan tape penny on the fan close to the motor and it will shake lightly . Now move that penny to the edge or the blade and turn it on. The fan will shake like holly hell. The same thing will happen to your tire height is increased. the tire is being thrown up and down when out of balance with rotational force this is the hop and vibration . in may case i believe there is 2 issues one with my drive shaft and the transfer case seal failure . The second is the right rear tire and or hub. Ford doesn't want to fix it , BECAUSE IT COMES OFF THERE BOTTOM LINE VIA PROFIT AND LOST. imageing all the trucks they would have to fix .I request to talk and ride with field service tech to show the issue .Nope they couldn't even call to so . At one time i would have paid for the parts to fix it that time has come and gone .I didn't buy a new truck to fix warranty issue . PREVIOUS owned Fords 71 E 350 5.0 CRUSHED , 96 F 250 7.3 18 mpg trade in , 2004 F350 4X4 6.0 blown egr cooler ford no help sold ,2004 2500 HD 6.6 Dirtymax 4 inch lift chipped 5 inch exhaust leaking head gasket 197K still have it parked will fix it after this deal need a bed to rusted out to many salt water boat launches cant blame the truck , 96 E 150 sold couldnt keep tires form blowing out due to load in truck .2016 Ford super duty BOUGHT drove and stored at the dealer

 

[Rnmst]

So what are you saying the problem is????

 

[Tadpull]

DORADODANIEL

Well this will blow your mind then, here is my list of failed attempts:

At around 32,000 miles’ truck started hopping right at 45mph and no other speeds so I
1) Purchased all new tires. "still hopped"
2) Made installing tire company re-balance tires 3 times. "still hopped"
3) Road forced all tires (3 times). "still hopped"
4) Barrowed my buddy’s factory wheels for a day. "still hopped"
5) Dealership swapped wheels with new truck sitting on lot. "still hopped"
6) Dealership replaced drive shaft. "still hopped"
7) Dealership installed vibration counter balance weight. "still hopped"
8) Ford writes me off stating "normal characteristic of truck". "still hopped"
9) Local driveline specialist shims transmission mount changing pinion angles. "still hopped"
10) Local driveline company pulls rear axles and finds they are out .025 (visual wobble in lathe)
11) Dealership installed both new rear axles and guess what! "still hopped"
12) Will be trading this POS in for another brand soon. "no hop"

I'm sure Ford engineer's and corporate are reading these posts laughing their asses off at the time, effort and money we've all spent on this...

 

[Maryland dieselnick]

That's sad

 

[Rbalan1]

Just chiming in with 2012 f250 crew cab short bed 6.2 gas and recently developed this problem just under 60k miles. I installed add a leafs to the rear many miles back (maybe around 30k miles) because of the severe rear sag with light loads. I'm trying to pinpoint the exact speeds the vibration develops, but it does so between 40-50 mph, and then gets a more severe one at 60 plus. I have also replaced the the tires with the exact same tire that has been on it since the 29k mile mark and has been back and forth to the tire shop for balancing and indexing. Every thing checks out on the factory 18" wheels as well as alignment.

Is there still no cure for this or a definite area of what's causing it? It also seems odd that my truck developed this at a later mileage.

 

[Rbalan1]

I got an appointment this week and hope they have things figured out by now.