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About a month ago, I contacted two former TDS sponsors about ordering a 2016. At that point I had not contacted any local dealer, and had no plans to, if the former TDS sponsors would place the order. But both were very discouraging, in two entirely different ways.

One said flat out, I could order it, but it more than likely wouldn't be built. This was in mid March. I appreciated his frankness, but noted the terse response as a shut down, as there was complete radio silence when I followed up with him.

The other spent most of the time whining and complaining about all the calls he gets from TDS members, and how he doesn't have time for them or me. It was a very ugly conversation at his first hello... especially for a first time ever contact. All I asked was if he could order a 2016 truck. I never even mentioned price. Price was actually the furthest thing from my mind. Time was of the essence in placing the order for the configuration desired, and I didn't think I was at all in a position to talk price.

But he railed and wailed on about how he gets 200 calls a week from people shopping their local dealers. Now, I hadn't approached a local dealer, so this rant didn't apply to me, but it sure was delivered to me, in spades. After a while, I got to thinking "wait a minute... is that WHY you joined and sponsored TDS? To get nationwide business? No one asked you to join the forums, or sponsor the forums, or put your name and phone number in your signature, asking for anyone in the market for a truck to give you call. No one made you put a slogan in your sig that suggests that your prices can't be beat." I didn't say any of what I was thinking at the time, and I kind of wish I had. But I was focused on trying to see if I could still order a truck, and was already tired of being besieged by his drama.

In retrospect, it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I didn't order a truck from him. I figured if conversing with him was that contentious in what should have been the honeymoon of the first phone call, it would only go downhill from there... especially if a problem cropped up with the order or vehicle as delivered.

There is a lot to be said for finding a fair, forthright, and friendly selling dealer locally.
 

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So, here we are, right down to the wire, last day to order is may 10, got things fairly well worked out. Wanted to check and see what you guys thought about the pricing . . .sticker is $68100. X-plan gets me to $62700, $4750 in rebates takes it down to selling price of $57950.

My understanding is that X-plan is the "invoice" price the dealer provided with. Is there more movement on the price, or do you think I'm getting a decent price?

The dealer I am close to making the deal with has been perfect. Very agreeable to ordering, rather than pushing me to take on off the lot, like every other dealer.
 

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About a month ago, I contacted two former TDS sponsors about ordering a 2016. At that point I had not contacted any local dealer, and had no plans to, if the former TDS sponsors would place the order. But both were very discouraging, in two entirely different ways.

One said flat out, I could order it, but it more than likely wouldn't be built. This was in mid March. I appreciated his frankness, but noted the terse response as a shut down, as there was complete radio silence when I followed up with him.

The other spent most of the time whining and complaining about all the calls he gets from TDS members, and how he doesn't have time for them or me. It was a very ugly conversation at his first hello... especially for a first time ever contact. All I asked was if he could order a 2016 truck. I never even mentioned price. Price was actually the furthest thing from my mind. Time was of the essence in placing the order for the configuration desired, and I didn't think I was at all in a position to talk price.

But he railed and wailed on about how he gets 200 calls a week from people shopping their local dealers. Now, I hadn't approached a local dealer, so this rant didn't apply to me, but it sure was delivered to me, in spades. After a while, I got to thinking "wait a minute... is that WHY you joined and sponsored TDS? To get nationwide business? No one asked you to join the forums, or sponsor the forums, or put your name and phone number in your signature, asking for anyone in the market for a truck to give you call. No one made you put a slogan in your sig that suggests that your prices can't be beat." I didn't say any of what I was thinking at the time, and I kind of wish I had. But I was focused on trying to see if I could still order a truck, and was already tired of being besieged by his drama.

In retrospect, it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I didn't order a truck from him. I figured if conversing with him was that contentious in what should have been the honeymoon of the first phone call, it would only go downhill from there... especially if a problem cropped up with the order or vehicle as delivered.

There is a lot to be said for finding a fair, forthright, and friendly selling dealer locally.

Sometimes if I was in the vendors shoes I would not want to sell certain people trucks let along the time people take with no intentions from buying. I work part time doing some driving for a previous vendor and he has been top notch. I've heard the calls and then they are back around in a few years. There is people that call him every day to check an order at another dealership, any new info or help on a certain build. Remember there is always two sides to a story. Bobby and Scott have always been great.
 

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Completing the order in today.

2016 CC LB SWR F350 Lariat Powerstroke
3.55 Locking axle

Blue Jeans with Magnetic
Lariat Ultimate
Black Leather 40console40
FX4
Snowplow prep
11500 gvwr
Rapid Heat
Clearance lights.
Dual alternators
Premium 20" wheels
Heated rear seat
Wheel well liners
Body Side Protection moldings

:) :) :)
 

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Nice setup. How long of a wait are you hearing?
 

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Fowlerville ford has that truck in stock right now. their stock number is 16460 They just got it.
 

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So, here we are, right down to the wire, last day to order is may 10, got things fairly well worked out. Wanted to check and see what you guys thought about the pricing . . .sticker is $68100. X-plan gets me to $62700, $4750 in rebates takes it down to selling price of $57950.

My understanding is that X-plan is the "invoice" price the dealer provided with. Is there more movement on the price, or do you think I'm getting a decent price?

The dealer I am close to making the deal with has been perfect. Very agreeable to ordering, rather than pushing me to take on off the lot, like every other dealer.
X-plan is about $100 over cost and limits your fees to $275. It's a nice walk in/walk out type of deal. However, some dealers will sell under invoice dipping into their holdback. I'm happy at invoice because I feel a dealer is entitled to make $2,000 on a $60,000 purchase. Some will go $500 under invoice but guess what, they then charge $495 in admin fees. I've seen some dealers charge up to $700 in fees which is absurd.

So I'm happy with Xplan plus rebates for my personal purchases but

The other nice thing about X plan is that it will then show you what you are getting for your trade. There is no "lower the purchase and give less on the trade" to balance the books. Everyone has to sell it to you at the same price so then you can start truly negotiating your trade value.

Example:

Dealer A

Invoice $55,000
Selling $54,000
Trade $16,000
Net $38k

Dealer B
Invoice $55,000
Selling $52,000
Trade $14,000
Net $38k.

You really never know whether it is a good deal when you have 2 prices working together. Xplan takes the purchase price out the window so now who will give you a better trade in price??

Best of luck

PS - Per Scott, May 12th is the last day to order, not May 10th.
 

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Scott had a memo on the higher trim levels may10 xlt and xl may 12

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X-plan is about $100 over cost and limits your fees to $275. It's a nice walk in/walk out type of deal. However, some dealers will sell under invoice dipping into their holdback. I'm happy at invoice because I feel a dealer is entitled to make $2,000 on a $60,000 purchase. Some will go $500 under invoice but guess what, they then charge $495 in admin fees. I've seen some dealers charge up to $700 in fees which is absurd.

So I'm happy with Xplan plus rebates for my personal purchases but

The other nice thing about X plan is that it will then show you what you are getting for your trade. There is no "lower the purchase and give less on the trade" to balance the books. Everyone has to sell it to you at the same price so then you can start truly negotiating your trade value.




Example:

Dealer A

Invoice $55,000
Selling $54,000
Trade $16,000
Net $38k

Dealer B
Invoice $55,000
Selling $52,000
Trade $14,000
Net $38k.

You really never know whether it is a good deal when you have 2 prices working together. Xplan takes the purchase price out the window so now who will give you a better trade in price??

Best of luck

PS - Per Scott, May 12th is the last day to order, not May 10th.
 

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For anyone who has followed some of my previous posts regarding my issues of trying to order a 2016 before the deadline, you know that I have had several issues with dealers, salesmen, and credit app issues. And that I was not happy with anyone involved from the salesman, all the way to Ford.

Well. I am happy to say that this past Saturday, I drove from Buffalo NY to Folwerville MI, to see Scott Pratt. Scott hooked me up with a 2016 F350 CCLB, the exact truck Outlw suggested I look at in the above response. Dealing with Scott over the phone and through texts was very hassle free. I told him how much I had to spend, he got the rebates set up, and we were good to go. This was as HASSLE-FREE and EASY as buying could be. Anyone on this forum that has bought from Scott will surely agree that Scott makes things easy. I am 100% satisfied with every aspect of the sale, the truck, and the entire experience. I would recommend him to anyone looking for a new truck. Scott knows his trucks.

Now I have to find the time to reinstall all my equipment, toolbox,rack light etc,. As well as a bunch of new stuff!!! It's a tough problem to have!!!!
Thanks again to Scott Pratt, the guy that detailed the truck prior to delivery, and Folwerville Ford. You guys delivered everything I wanted.
 

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