Sorry for the lame question... I'm still learning about these engines. I have a friend who bought a 91 Ford and the seller claims to have replaced it with a 1st generation Powerstroke engine. The only thing is that there is no turbocharger on it. I haven't seen the engine in person yet but it should be easy for me to tell if it's an IDI engine due to the fuel injection setup.
Are all Powerstrokes turbocharged?
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All strokes to my knowledge are turbo's
There is a turbo'd 7.3 that was offered the same year.
Prior to that there was the 7.3 either turbo'd or N/A
There is a turbo'd 7.3 that was offered the same year.
Prior to that there was the 7.3 either turbo'd or N/A
I don't think they called 91's or any IDI "Powerstroke"
91's didn't come with turbos
When he says "first generation powerstroke" if he is refering to the 6.9 he is naming it wrong, 6.9 were never called Powerstroke
Turbos started in 93 on the 7.3 IDI, I'm not sure if they called that
specific year/model "Powerstroke"
So to answer your question in broad terms, yes, all powerstrokes came with turbos, remembering that IDI's were not called Powerstroke. Someone please correct me if I'm not accurate.
91's didn't come with turbos
When he says "first generation powerstroke" if he is refering to the 6.9 he is naming it wrong, 6.9 were never called Powerstroke
Turbos started in 93 on the 7.3 IDI, I'm not sure if they called that
specific year/model "Powerstroke"
So to answer your question in broad terms, yes, all powerstrokes came with turbos, remembering that IDI's were not called Powerstroke. Someone please correct me if I'm not accurate.
1984-1987 6.9 IDI
1987-1993 7.3 IDI
1993 7.3 IDI turbo or NA idi
1994 7.3 5 spd PSD, auto IDI turbo
1995-2003 7.3 all psd
2003 - 6.0 psd
there were a few split years, depending on when you bought it.
in 1994 you could actually buiy a 7.3 idi, a 7.3 idi turbo, or a 7.3 psd.
i think all idi had a canister fuel filter, and the psd has drop in fuel filters.
Chris
1987-1993 7.3 IDI
1993 7.3 IDI turbo or NA idi
1994 7.3 5 spd PSD, auto IDI turbo
1995-2003 7.3 all psd
2003 - 6.0 psd
there were a few split years, depending on when you bought it.
in 1994 you could actually buiy a 7.3 idi, a 7.3 idi turbo, or a 7.3 psd.
i think all idi had a canister fuel filter, and the psd has drop in fuel filters.
Chris
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The first gen powerstrokes started in 94 and were turbo direct injected electronic diesels. Before that they were either a 6.9 idi or a 7.3 idi. In 93 and 94 you could get a 7.3 idi with a turbo. He is probably just assuming since it is a 7.3 it is a first generation. Its easy to spot an idi. Just look for an injection pump.
The problem comes in that the 7.3IDI and 7.3PSD were the same displacement and Ford never advertised that the PSD was a "new" engine.
So people assume that all 7.3's were "PowerStrokes". And that the "first generation" would be the non-turbo engine.
Your buddy probably has a plain old 7.3IDI, or possible a 6.9 which is basically the same engine.
So people assume that all 7.3's were "PowerStrokes". And that the "first generation" would be the non-turbo engine.
Your buddy probably has a plain old 7.3IDI, or possible a 6.9 which is basically the same engine.
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1984-1987 6.9 IDI
1987-1993 7.3 IDI
1993 7.3 IDI turbo or NA idi
1994 7.3 5 spd PSD, auto IDI turbo
1995-2003 7.3 all psd
2003 - 6.0 psd
there were a few split years, depending on when you bought it.
in 1994 you could actually buiy a 7.3 idi, a 7.3 idi turbo, or a 7.3 psd.
i think all idi had a canister fuel filter, and the psd has drop in fuel filters.
Chris
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grr.... 6.9 started in 83. i got a first edition i quess u could say. door sticker says feb 83.
1984-1987 6.9 IDI
1987-1993 7.3 IDI
1993 7.3 IDI turbo or NA idi
1994 7.3 5 spd PSD, auto IDI turbo
1995-2003 7.3 all psd
2003 - 6.0 psd
there were a few split years, depending on when you bought it.
in 1994 you could actually buiy a 7.3 idi, a 7.3 idi turbo, or a 7.3 psd.
i think all idi had a canister fuel filter, and the psd has drop in fuel filters.
Chris
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grr.... 6.9 started in 83. i got a first edition i quess u could say. door sticker says feb 83.
In 1994 if you wanted a PSD you had to buy a 5spd. Or You could get an IDI/ OR IDIT (Turbo) with either an Auto or a 5spd.
Unless someone has evidence to the contrary the only non turbo IDI in a 1994 i have seen was in an F-Superduty(F-450).
You could get a 5spd mated to a 6.9L for one year in 1987
And to the original question. Yes all "Powerstroke's" were turbo charged.
Unless someone has evidence to the contrary the only non turbo IDI in a 1994 i have seen was in an F-Superduty(F-450).
You could get a 5spd mated to a 6.9L for one year in 1987
And to the original question. Yes all "Powerstroke's" were turbo charged.
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Unless someone has evidence to the contrary the only non turbo IDI in a 1994 i have seen was in an F-Superduty(F-450).
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All 1994 vans were NA, 1994 pickups the turbo was an option.
A PSD can produce way more power than an IDI, simply because the computer can allow the motor to run at the ragged edge of safety.
Unless someone has evidence to the contrary the only non turbo IDI in a 1994 i have seen was in an F-Superduty(F-450).
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All 1994 vans were NA, 1994 pickups the turbo was an option.
A PSD can produce way more power than an IDI, simply because the computer can allow the motor to run at the ragged edge of safety.
From either 82 or 83-86 they had a 6.9L diesel. from 87-94 they had a 7.3L diesel which were all IDI's, however in 1993 and 1994 they had a 7.3L turdo IDI. And in 1994 they also had the first DI 7.3L Powerstrokes were produced with a 5 spd only. Thats what i have. Mine is a 4/94 manufacture date with a powerstroke 5spd, knock on wood weve owned the truck since 96 with 24000 miles and never had a problem with it being the first year of the engine. We still have the truck with 113000 miles and about 525hp to the ground (lots of mods) since it is now a pulling truck. I consider 94-97 powerstrokes the first generation and the 99-early 03 the second generation since they were intercooled with a redesigned turbo ond 3 in downpipe in those years.
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From either 82 or 83-86 they had a 6.9L diesel. from 87-94 they had a 7.3L diesel which were all IDI's, however in 1993 and 1994 they had a 7.3L turdo IDI. And in 1994 they also had the first DI 7.3L Powerstrokes were produced with a 5 spd only. Thats what i have. Mine is a 4/94 manufacture date with a powerstroke 5spd, knock on wood weve owned the truck since 96 with 24000 miles and never had a problem with it being the first year of the engine. We still have the truck with 113000 miles and about 525hp to the ground (lots of mods) since it is now a pulling truck. I consider 94-97 powerstrokes the first generation and the 99-early 03 the second generation since they were intercooled with a redesigned turbo ond 3 in downpipe in those years.
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Yeap,
94.5-97 Gen 1
99-2003 Gen 2
2003.25 - 2007 Gen 3 (6.0)
2008 - Gen 4 (6.4)
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THERE IS NO 1998 PSD in a Truck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
From either 82 or 83-86 they had a 6.9L diesel. from 87-94 they had a 7.3L diesel which were all IDI's, however in 1993 and 1994 they had a 7.3L turdo IDI. And in 1994 they also had the first DI 7.3L Powerstrokes were produced with a 5 spd only. Thats what i have. Mine is a 4/94 manufacture date with a powerstroke 5spd, knock on wood weve owned the truck since 96 with 24000 miles and never had a problem with it being the first year of the engine. We still have the truck with 113000 miles and about 525hp to the ground (lots of mods) since it is now a pulling truck. I consider 94-97 powerstrokes the first generation and the 99-early 03 the second generation since they were intercooled with a redesigned turbo ond 3 in downpipe in those years.
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Yeap,
94.5-97 Gen 1
99-2003 Gen 2
2003.25 - 2007 Gen 3 (6.0)
2008 - Gen 4 (6.4)
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THERE IS NO 1998 PSD in a Truck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Here is a <font color="blue"> LINK</font> for some information on our engines.
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Just like most wiki article, it isn't 100% correct /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif JUST FYI /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Here is a <font color="blue"> LINK</font> for some information on our engines.
Jim
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Okay....
Now, what kind of turbo did the factory install on the IDI's? The ATS website kind of infers that Ford tapped them on the shoulder....
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Yes the "factory" turbo on the 7.3 IDI was an ATS unit. ATS at the time was located in Murray UT. They have since changed things, and I'm not sure what the UT company does now. There is an ATS in Colorado, from what I understand they bought most of the patents and such from the UT company.
By the way, for what it's worth here is the breakdown as I've learned it:
83-86 6.9 IDI
87 part 6.9/part 7.3 (also 87 was the only year to get a 5spd behind the 6.9)
88-92 Naturally aspirated (N/A) 7.3 IDI, also introduced the E4OD
93 N/A 7.3 with turbo(ATS) as an option
94 N/A 7.3 IDI, Turbo 7.3 IDI, or PSD (also turbo)
They did build 6.9's in '82, but they were '83 model year trucks.
Okay....
Now, what kind of turbo did the factory install on the IDI's? The ATS website kind of infers that Ford tapped them on the shoulder....
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Yes the "factory" turbo on the 7.3 IDI was an ATS unit. ATS at the time was located in Murray UT. They have since changed things, and I'm not sure what the UT company does now. There is an ATS in Colorado, from what I understand they bought most of the patents and such from the UT company.
By the way, for what it's worth here is the breakdown as I've learned it:
83-86 6.9 IDI
87 part 6.9/part 7.3 (also 87 was the only year to get a 5spd behind the 6.9)
88-92 Naturally aspirated (N/A) 7.3 IDI, also introduced the E4OD
93 N/A 7.3 with turbo(ATS) as an option
94 N/A 7.3 IDI, Turbo 7.3 IDI, or PSD (also turbo)
They did build 6.9's in '82, but they were '83 model year trucks.
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