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I bought some Penzoil Transmission fluid that states on the container Mercon/Dextron III, not for use in transmission requiring Mercon V fluid. My oncern is that the specs numbers are different from Ford's Spec in the owner's manual. Now I am not sure if it is ok to use any one have any knowledge on this or even an opinion.

Ford specs from owner's manual are M1C175-A, Penzoil says it meets Ford specs M2C185A, as you see they are different. What's up with that?


as always, thanks in advance,
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Ford specs from owner's manual are M1C175-A, Penzoil says it meets Ford specs M2C185A, as you see they are different. What's up with that?
Interesting, the owner's manual I just looked at (99 version) just says "Mercon" for the spec.
Power steering fluid and transfer case fluid (if equipped)

Ford part name or equivalent: Motorcraft MERCON ATF
Ford Part number: XT-2-BDX or QDX
Ford Specification: MERCON



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Interesting, the owner's manual I just looked at (99 version) just says "Mercon" for the spec.
Power steering fluid and transfer case fluid (if equipped)

Ford part name or equivalent: Motorcraft MERCON ATF
Ford Part number: XT-2-BDX or QDX
Ford Specification: MERCON


Klhasen, you are right! I looked at a spec for grease on the wrong line. Thanks for pointing that out, I guess my brain damage was kickin' in.
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Where is Mark when you need him????????????????????????
On a cruise!!!!!! But now I'm back. :ugh:

I think it will be fine. The trans was designed for that fluid. The newer MERCON V was also designed for that trans.
 

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Mercon V Use in Mercon Transmissions:
Effective 6-29-4, Ford is discontinuing Mercon ATF licensing and manufacturing. Mercon V is now approved for use in all transmissions specifying Mercon. This includes both the E4OD and 4R100 automatics and the ZF six-speed manual, as well as the transfer cases. Once exsisting stocks of Mercon is depleted it will no longer be available. Transmissions that specify Mercon V should still use only that fluid. The ZF five-speed will still use synthetic Mercon. TSB 06-14-4.
 

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Mercon V Use in Mercon Transmissions:
Effective 6-29-4, Ford is discontinuing Mercon ATF licensing and manufacturing. Mercon V is now approved for use in all transmissions specifying Mercon.
True, except for the typo in the date. (It should be 7-01-07). The date of the TSB is 6-29-06.

But that's only part 1 of the song and dance. Part two is that the major oil companies are thumbing their nose at Ford and their licensing requirement for using the trademarked MERCON® and MERCON® V names. Let's take Pennzoil, for example.

PENNZOIL® TRANSMISSION FLUID

Notice the weasle-wording in the following quote:

"Pennzoil® Multi-Vehicle ATF... meets the requirements of transmissions requiring DEXRON® -III, MERCON®, MERCON® V and Allison C-4 fluid. "

It does not say it meets MERCON® or MERCON® V requirements. Instead it says it meets the requirements of certain transmissions.

It doesn't say it's rated MERCON® V, but it must be, because only MERCON® V now "meets the requirements of transmissions requiring either MERCON® or MERCON® V".

And it doesn't say it's rated MERCON® V because too many uninformed folks want MERCON® , not MERCON® V, because of the words in their obsolete Owner's Guide.

I don't buy such weasel-worded products. I use Mobil 1 ATF, for one reason because it says loud and clear that it meets MERCON® V specs. And although my obsolete Owner's Guide says to not use MERCON® V, TSB 06-14-4 amended my Owner's Guide to say MERCON® V is the right stuff for my 4R100 tranny.

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TSB 06-14-4
MERCON ATF IS BEING REPLACED BY MERCON V ATF AS A SERVICE FLUID.

Publication Date: June 29, 2006
FORD:
1981-2004 E-Series, F-Super Duty
2000-2005 Excursion

This article supersedes TSB 01-15-7 to update the vehicle application chart.

ISSUE:
MERCON® Automatic Transmission Fluid is being replaced by MERCON® V as a service fluid.

ACTION:
Beginning immediately all automatic transmission / transaxle applications requiring MERCON® can now be serviced using MERCON® V or MERCON® Automatic Transmission Fluid or dual usage fluids labeled MERCON® / MERCON® V. After July 1, 2007, MERCON® Automatic Transmission Fluid will no longer be manufactured, therefore, availability of this fluid will only continue for however long it takes to deplete what remains in inventory.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Service automatic transmissions requiring MERCON® with MERCON® V or MERCON® Automatic Transmission Fluid or dual usage fluids labeled MERCON® / MERCON® V

For proper fluid application on current and past model vehicles equipped with automatic transmissions / transaxles refer to the fluid usage chart. (Figure 1)

CAUTION: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS / TRANSAXLES THAT REQUIRE MERCON® V SHOULD STILL ONLY USE MERCON® V OR DUAL USAGE FLUID LABELED MERCON® / MERCON® V.


CAUTION: MERCON® SP, MOTORCRAFT PREMIUM AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID AND MOTORCRAFT M5 ATFS ARE UNIQUE FLUIDS AND MUST BE USED IN APPLICATIONS RECOMMENDING THAT PARTICULAR FLUID. USE OF ANY OTHER FLUID MAY CAUSE REDUCED FUNCTIONALITY OR TRANSMISSION DAMAGE.

CAUTION: THE FUNCTIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF FLUIDS FOR CVT TRANSMISSIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THOSE OF OTHER AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUIDS (ATFS). USE OF A FLUID OTHER THAN MOTORCRAFT CONTINUOUSLY VARIABLE CHAIN TYPE TRANSMISSION FLUID OR ONE LABELED AS MEETING MERCON® C WILL CAUSE FUNCTIONALITY CONCERNS AND INTERNAL TRANSMISSION DAMAGE.

CAUTION: DO NOT USE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID SUPPLEMENTS, ADDITIVES, TREATMENTS OR CLEANING AGENTS.

PART NUMBER PART NAME

XT-2-QDX MERCON® (Quart)
XT-2-DDX MERCON® (55 Gal. Drum)
XT-5-QM MERCON® V (Quart)
XT-5-DM MERCON® V (55 Gal. Drum)

WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only
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The "Figure 1" attached to the TSB won't copy over to this editor. It is a quick reference chart to show which transmissions this TSB applied to. One was our 4R100 automatic tranny.

Notice the "®" by the MERCON name. That means "registered trade mark", and folks are not allowed to use it without meeting the requirements of the owner of the trade mark. Ford doesn't allow anyone to make or market MERCON®, so when you see something like the weasel-worded Pennzoil product on the market you can bet there is a lawsuit already filed by Ford.
 

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True, except for the typo in the date. (It should be 7-01-07). The date of the TSB is 6-29-06.

But that's only part 1 of the song and dance. Part two is that the major oil companies are thumbing their nose at Ford and their licensing requirement for using the trademarked MERCON® and MERCON® V names. Let's take Pennzoil, for example.

PENNZOIL® TRANSMISSION FLUID

Notice the weasle-wording in the following quote:

"Pennzoil® Multi-Vehicle ATF... meets the requirements of transmissions requiring DEXRON® -III, MERCON®, MERCON® V and Allison C-4 fluid. "

It does not say it meets MERCON® or MERCON® V requirements. Instead it says it meets the requirements of certain transmissions.

It doesn't say it's rated MERCON® V, but it must be, because only MERCON® V now "meets the requirements of transmissions requiring either MERCON® or MERCON® V".

And it doesn't say it's rated MERCON® V because too many uninformed folks want MERCON® , not MERCON® V, because of the words in their obsolete Owner's Guide.

I don't buy such weasel-worded products. I use Mobil 1 ATF, for one reason because it says loud and clear that it meets MERCON® V specs. And although my obsolete Owner's Guide says to not use MERCON® V, TSB 06-14-4 amended my Owner's Guide to say MERCON® V is the right stuff for my 4R100 tranny.
Smokey,
The Penzoil tranny fluid I have is not the one you are refering to. What I have states on the label, that it is "for use in transmission that were previously serviced by Mercon and Dexron III" Fluid. It also states that," it is not to be used in Transimission that require Mercon V or Ford TYpe F Fluids and Dexron VI"
It also states that it meets Ford MC1825A specs, this is not the multi use fluid you are talking about, check out this link:
Products - Dexron®-III Mercon® ATF
 

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The Penzoil tranny fluid I have is not the one you are refering to.]
That sounds like the "old" MERCON that Pennzoil is not allowed to manufacture after July 1, 2007. But there is still some on the shelves, so they haven't deleted that webpage yet.
 

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More trans fluid corn fution !

2 years ago i did a complete flush and fill of my auto ( using the method outlined here ) with Pennziol ATF that distintly reads ( i still have a partial jug and am reading it directly )
" For use in vehicles previously sevicable by DEXTRON IIV / MERCON. " Yes DEXTRON IIV.

All is well .

Im going RV towing and wish to do a quick pan / drain/ refill.
Cannot find this exact type or any mention of the DextronIIV even on Pennziol web site ........... I DID pick up 3g of fluid that reads :
For use in DEXTRON III and MERCON brands .
Closest i could find right away , Can i use it and will it be ok with the fluid in the trans since attmitantly i am only doing a partial change ??

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Thank you Mr Mark ,,,, sooo use what i bought or look for something else ?

If i could just find that same Pennziol product ..... i wouldnt have to ask all these stuipid questions and bother you all !
 
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