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Looking at doing this. Know about amsoil. Saw this one too at www.fs2500.com Anybody have any thoughts. Are they worth it?? How much are they??? Where do I get one, becuase neither cost or location is on either site.

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Try this.....

http://www.oilguard.com/Ford7.php

I haven't had any issues with mine, although I'm still running on my first filter at 2k miles. Most post I have seen people are running around 7-15k oil change intervals. It's not to difficult to figure if you can double your oil change it won't take long to pay for this system.
 

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i'd go with the oil guard. i have one and really like it.

the fs2500 is only 3 microns and i believe that the oilguard is 1 micron filtration
 

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I do not really don’t know about oil guard but I have some experience with these two. I did make a post which was not really received well. Take it for what it worth I have had these two and Amsoil is my choice.

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It is official FS-2500 is not better than Amsoil

I changed the system out of frustration. I was not happy with the soot level that was visible when I checked the oil as seen on dip stick and then when I took oil samples.

The new dual remote by-pass system with the new EaO & EaBP defiantly out performs the Filtration Solution FS-2500 there video is for sure smoke and mirrors!
My oil looks so much better than with FS. I just changed the filter system not the oil. In just 1500 miles it is hard to believe in just a short time I am able to tell the difference.
 

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i believe the problem with the amsoil is the way is diverts the oil to the bypass unit.

it restricts flow in the full flow unit which can starve the bearings in the engine
 

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I have been using the oilguard setup for about a year now. I have had no problems and being able to get samples of oil is easy with the "spout" they have installed on it. I am getting ready to do my first oil change since I am slowly creeping up on 10,000 miles.
 

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another great thing about the oil guard over a fs2500 or even an amsoil is that its short and stubby instead of long and skinny, which means that you have much less of a chance of it getting hit by something.

the only bad thing is that there isn't any room for anything inside the frame rails when you have a 4wd truck. that driveshaft just sucks up all that space.
 

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The new dual remote by-pass system with the new EaO & EaBP defiantly out performs the Filtration Solution FS-2500 there video is for sure smoke and mirrors!


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Are you talking about the dual remote that relocates the full flow filter next to the bypass or the dual remote that has 2 bypass filters???
Amsoil makes both.

I personally took off my dual remote with the relocated full flow after high iron readings in my last sample. I do like the looks of the dual remote that only has bypass filters, plus it plumbs in just like the FS-2500 or OilGuard, leaving the full flow in place. Plus if one bypass filter is good, two is always better /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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i believe the problem with the amsoil is the way is diverts the oil to the bypass unit.

it restricts flow in the full flow unit which can starve the bearings in the engine

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I have seen this mentioned before. Can you give some details about this? I have not seen anything except pictures of this system. I can't imagine Amsoil designing something like this but then I've seen a few other things I couldn't imagine.
 

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Thanks fellas. How much for these miracles??
 

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drop the $225 for an oilguard and don't think twice about it
 

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The new dual remote by-pass system with the new EaO & EaBP defiantly out performs the Filtration Solution FS-2500 there video is for sure smoke and mirrors!


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Are you talking about the dual remote that relocates the full flow filter next to the bypass or the dual remote that has 2 bypass filters???
Amsoil makes both.

I personally took off my dual remote with the relocated full flow after high iron readings in my last sample. I do like the looks of the dual remote that only has bypass filters, plus it plumbs in just like the FS-2500 or OilGuard, leaving the full flow in place. Plus if one bypass filter is good, two is always better /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Cheers

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I actually struggled with the Dual remote verse a single by pass. After talking with a dealer that has a whole school district in NC, with the duel remote on there busses with the PSD. For several years with no issues even though they only use dino oil. They are able to extent there oil drain to 4x normal. I decide to trust Amsoil and there engineers and so far I am happy with my decision. I did have a vibration noise I did have to deal with.

With the 4x4 the only place I could find was out side the frame rail
 

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The new dual remote by-pass system with the new EaO & EaBP defiantly out performs the Filtration Solution FS-2500 there video is for sure smoke and mirrors!


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Are you talking about the dual remote that relocates the full flow filter next to the bypass or the dual remote that has 2 bypass filters???
Amsoil makes both.

I personally took off my dual remote with the relocated full flow after high iron readings in my last sample. I do like the looks of the dual remote that only has bypass filters, plus it plumbs in just like the FS-2500 or OilGuard, leaving the full flow in place. Plus if one bypass filter is good, two is always better /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Cheers

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I actually struggled with the Dual remote verse a single by pass. After talking with a dealer that has a whole school district in NC, with the duel remote on there busses with the PSD. For several years with no issues even though they only use dino oil. They are able to extent there oil drain to 4x normal. I decide to trust Amsoil and there engineers and so far I am happy with my decision. I did have a vibration noise I did have to deal with.

With the 4x4 the only place I could find was out side the frame rail

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Hate to ask again but it really isnt clear
1. Are you reffering to the dual remote that relocates the full flow?

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2. Are you reffering to the dual remote that has two bypass filters and leaves the full flow in place?

IMHO leave the full flow in place and choose the dual remote with bypass filters only. Does the same as OilGuard and FS-2500 but has two bypass filters. Might be overkill but 2 is always better than one /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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The new dual remote by-pass system with the new EaO & EaBP defiantly out performs the Filtration Solution FS-2500 there video is for sure smoke and mirrors!


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Are you talking about the dual remote that relocates the full flow filter next to the bypass or the dual remote that has 2 bypass filters???
Amsoil makes both.

I personally took off my dual remote with the relocated full flow after high iron readings in my last sample. I do like the looks of the dual remote that only has bypass filters, plus it plumbs in just like the FS-2500 or OilGuard, leaving the full flow in place. Plus if one bypass filter is good, two is always better /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Cheers

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I actually struggled with the Dual remote verse a single by pass. After talking with a dealer that has a whole school district in NC, with the duel remote on there busses with the PSD. For several years with no issues even though they only use dino oil. They are able to extent there oil drain to 4x normal. I decide to trust Amsoil and there engineers and so far I am happy with my decision. I did have a vibration noise I did have to deal with.

With the 4x4 the only place I could find was out side the frame rail

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I am using the dual remote that removes the full flow and installs an adapter.

I am sorry if I did not complete the post but I thought my signature said it all.
 

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Had the Amsoil remote with the adapter that replaces the full flow filter and moves it,(the full flow)next to the bypass filter. After 36,000 miles oil analysis always came back good. I changed to the Oilguard because it was very obvious that the oil pressure was slow to come up, without the full flow in the original position, when my truck was started. This bothered me enough to buy the Oilguard bypass system and put the full flow back where it belonged. Oil pressure definetly comes up faster with this setup. Have had the Oilguard on for over 6,000 miles now and the oil is very clean looking. I will have it analyzed at 10,000.

Some folks do not buy in to bypass systems and synthetic oils, and that's fine. Me, I'm an Industrial Electrician and have been sent to a couple of lubrication classes, and man is there a lot to learn about oil and grease. It is more than just slippery. One guy teaching a class drove a Powerstroke and literally laughed at the mechanics in the class that use dino oil. He himself has a bypass system and used synthetics. Told us they were only getting better. My opinion, for what it's worth, is to go with Oilguard and leave the original full flow in place.
 

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personally took off my dual remote with the relocated full flow after high iron readings in my last sample

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Same here.
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The new dual remote by-pass system with the new EaO & EaBP defiantly out performs the Filtration Solution FS-2500 there video is for sure smoke and mirrors!


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Are you talking about the dual remote that relocates the full flow filter next to the bypass or the dual remote that has 2 bypass filters???
Amsoil makes both.

I personally took off my dual remote with the relocated full flow after high iron readings in my last sample. I do like the looks of the dual remote that only has bypass filters, plus it plumbs in just like the FS-2500 or OilGuard, leaving the full flow in place. Plus if one bypass filter is good, two is always better /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Cheers

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I actually struggled with the Dual remote verse a single by pass. After talking with a dealer that has a whole school district in NC, with the duel remote on there busses with the PSD. For several years with no issues even though they only use dino oil. They are able to extent there oil drain to 4x normal. I decide to trust Amsoil and there engineers and so far I am happy with my decision. I did have a vibration noise I did have to deal with.

With the 4x4 the only place I could find was out side the frame rail

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I am using the dual remote that removes the full flow and installs an adapter.

I am sorry if I did not complete the post but I thought my signature said it all.

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Actually, the one that uses 2 bypass elements is called the Dual-Gard (without a 'u') and is designed for industrial engines with large sumps (even larger than ours). It comes with a restriction fitting that is also sized for larger oil pumps, so it would need to be resized smaller for our engines. I don't even know if the newer models of it can even allow you to replace that fitting or if it's built into the unit. I have a much older one (when they were made by Perma-cool) and it's just a separate fitting with a very small orifice.

As far as how good it is -- I don't know. I'm using it because I've had it since 1992 and it's on my 2nd vehicle, but if I didn't have it, I probably wouldn't get one now. I think it's a case of "more is not necessarily better". If you use the 110 filter elements (x2), then your talking about $50 or so everytime you change them (and that's probably a low wholesale price). You might expect them to last longer than just 1, and they probably would, but if you are doing this for extended (or 'no') drains, you probably wouldn't get the life out of them before your oil would suffer from lack of turnover (since you wouldn't be changing the bypass elements as often as if you only used one). If you weren't trying to make them last, then it would really cost you money every time you drain and change. The only way I can see to get your money's worth out of them would be to just run them long-term (possibly until they plug), and drain your crankcase as oil analysis suggests or as you like.

This is the conclusion I've drawn in my situation, and that may be skewed by something specific going on with my truck, since I have around 30k on my filters and my analysis has been less than favorable a couple of times along the way. I intend to change everything in the next couple of months and start over again to see how it goes.

I think I would get a filter that has elements that are not too expensive (so they won't cost so much to change), that are not too large (so that you will be inclined to change them more often, which is better), and that are not too small (so they won't plug up fast and cost so much to change over time). Every brand of kit fits this differently it seems, but the Oilguard seems to be fairly popular and probably the most well-rounded in this regard...
 

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Question: With the oil-guard and using synthetic oil, how long would you be able to run the oil without changing it?? And how often do you need to change the oil-guard filter? And am I understanding this right? you are still using the reg oil filter and it will need changeing too, so how often will that need changing?? Thanks
 

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The manufacturer might have some general guidelines as to "typical" maintenance for their filter (and they can really differ between brands), but ultimately is comes down to oil analysis that you should follow IF you intend to run longer drain intervals than Ford and/or International recommends.

I know that may not help, but that's what it comes down to, since it depends a lot upon your situation, how often and how far you drive. If you do a lot of highway driving, that's better for the oil and you should be able extend longer than someone who does nothing but short trips, which is harder on the oil due to additional contamination and wear over time.

There are also a number of different ways to manage your filter changes depending upon what you want to accomplish, and that could occupy a whole different thread... But a typical example would be to continue to change your regular filter at its normal interval (like 5k), or longer if things go well, and change the bypass filter at a much longer interval (I've heard everything from 10k to 25k around here). At that point, you may decide to drain your oil as well. Your periodic filter changes (both types) require make-up oil to be added back to fill the void, and that serves to replenish your additives and perpetuate the situation, in addition to pulling out contaminants. If you are successful in that routine, you may decide not to drain your oil at a given time. Oil analysis monitors the trend for you.
 

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I have the FS2500 on my truck. Will be doing my first oil change since the installation in a few days. Will let you know what the analysis looks like then.

So far I've been happy with the look and feel of the oil in comparison to the oil with out the FS2500.

I love how everyone is an expert here.

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