[Houndog]

I like to use the WIX oil filters and this after this last change, I noticed that I would get a few drips of oil every night in the same spot. After further inspection, it was dripping from the drain plug. I was always curious about the fact there wasn't ever one in the filter box, however today I popped in to a local dealer and proudly asked the parts man for a crush ring. I then boasted "tell ya what - go ahead and give me 5 or 6 of them thar rings"! He looked at me and said "OK, they're $4.85 each - how many would you like?"

Needless to say, I only bought two. One to put on at this next oil change, and one to take to the hardware store to match up.

Houndog

 

[Kev]

I experienced the same heart attack when I went to get a few spares there; instead I used the money to buy a fumoto drain valve from dieselsite and I PROMISE you will never regret that decision!!!

 

[bunting]

I get them at a local autoparts store for like $1.97

And theres 3 in a box /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

 

[NCHornet]

I second the fumoto valve!!!

 

[Old_Dog]

I also use the Fumoto valve. I just wish it had a safety cap on it like
the Sure Drain type that doesn't fit our PSDs, in case the ball valve part
ever leaks. Before I switched to the Fumoto, the list price at my dealer on
the copper crush washers was $1.33 ea and I got six of them discounted at
$1.00 ea. More recently I saw that Harbor Freight carries a nice plastic
kit of assorted copper washers -- probably a dozen or more different sizes
and five or six of each size. I bought it, but forget the price. Probably
five or ten bucks... Nice to have one of these around to save a trip to
the hardware store...

Interestingly, on my old F-100 it has some kind of nylon washer under the
drain plug that I've never replaced in 28 years and it has never leaked.

--Old_Dog

 

[seller]

I'd be worried the Fumoto valve would hit something because it hangs down under the pan. Isn't that a problem?

 

[griffy71]

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I'd be worried the Fumoto valve would hit something because it hangs down under the pan. Isn't that a problem?

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There's a pretty stout axle that sits in front of mine. The drain is up and out of the way, so I don't see it as an issue. It's also really nice not to burn the hell out of your hands when changing the oil too.

G71

 

[genesiscom]

FUMOTO valve...You'll never look back.

 

[ITowBoats]

so what happens if a piece of road debris happens to fly up and break off your $19 valve and destroys a $7000 motor?

my drain plug has this white nylon gasket that has never leaked and i'm up to 5 oil changes after i bought the truck.

and its got 128,000 miles on it as of now.

i have never had a problem with getting oily at all. under goes the 5 gallon bucket, out comes the plug, a cup of coffee later and it all goes back together and i'm all clean and happy

 

[CamoFlogged]

Hmmm, I have been looking at this for a while. I just can't bring myself to pull the triger though as I do a lot of off-roading through rocks, brush, etc. I know they have a locking clip to keep them from opening up, which tells me it has happened before. Otherwise you don't need a clip.

Rocks are always bouncing up from somewhere, and if it took out this little item, I would be in deep dog stuff.

I love the idea and see a huge benefit in its use, but not with how I play with my truck.

So yes, I keep buying these apparently gold plated jewels to stop my oil from hitting concrete.

 

[wackerjr]

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so what happens if a piece of road debris happens to fly up and break off your $19 valve and destroys a $7000 motor?



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Obviously you don't know much about these motors.


YOU WILL NEVER HEAR OF A PSD THAT FAILS BECAUSE OF NO ENGINE OIL.


Want to know why?

your injectors are fired by that same oil. so IF that valve gets knocked off you know what happens? the truck shuts off. thats it. Then engine won't run long enought to cause severe damage.


Just for anyone who is listening.

 

[Old_Dog]

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I'd be worried the Fumoto valve would hit something because it hangs down under the pan. Isn't that a problem?

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No, its not. There are other things hanging down that are a lot lower,
including the front axle, diff, steering stabilizer and especially the
front anti-sway bar...

I believe that there are two versions of the Fumoto for PSDs: One version
is longer with a nipple for a drain hose. The other is shorter. The
short Fumoto doesn't hang down very far. I'm guessing about 1-1/4".
I just put a tie-wrap around the lever and body to further secure the
valve. But a screw-on safety cap like on the Sure Drain valve would
be a lot better.

--Old_Dog

 

[ITowBoats]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
so what happens if a piece of road debris happens to fly up and break off your $19 valve and destroys a $7000 motor?



[/ QUOTE ]

Obviously you don't know much about these motors.


YOU WILL NEVER HEAR OF A PSD THAT FAILS BECAUSE OF NO ENGINE OIL.


Want to know why?

your injectors are fired by that same oil. so IF that valve gets knocked off you know what happens? the truck shuts off. thats it. Then engine won't run long enought to cause severe damage.


Just for anyone who is listening.

[/ QUOTE ]

I am plenty farmilar with a HEUI fuel system since i'v been through CAT training for heui marine motors. I'v got a great one for you to think about now, that oil stops going to the resivour for the hpop because the oil pickup is no longer submerged. so guess what NO MORE OIL TO THE BEARINGS! and if it did happen to get knocked off while driving down the highway, that engine won't shut down until its alreads stopped receiving oil from the low pressure pump. now with an automatic you might be lucky if the tc unlocks, but with a stick that thing is going to become a break real fast.

you could not be a sally and just get alittle oil on your hands, then not have to worry about engine damage at all because your lazy and now all your oil is on the ground and on the underside of your truck

 

[wilson61]

i have seen a block which ran 5 miles in city traffic with no oil. 72 chev oil filter fell off and ex girl friend drove it to me as i would know what to do. it had valvoline in before but it was dry when she got to my house. no bearing problem and it was still running strong 4 years and 70,000 miles so if a engine dumps the oil they dont all turn to junk

 

[Kev]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
so what happens if a piece of road debris happens to fly up and break off your $19 valve and destroys a $7000 motor?



[/ QUOTE ]

Obviously you don't know much about these motors.


YOU WILL NEVER HEAR OF A PSD THAT FAILS BECAUSE OF NO ENGINE OIL.


Want to know why?

your injectors are fired by that same oil. so IF that valve gets knocked off you know what happens? the truck shuts off. thats it. Then engine won't run long enought to cause severe damage.


Just for anyone who is listening.

[/ QUOTE ]

I am plenty farmilar with a HEUI fuel system since i'v been through CAT training for heui marine motors. I'v got a great one for you to think about now, that oil stops going to the resivour for the hpop because the oil pickup is no longer submerged. so guess what NO MORE OIL TO THE BEARINGS! and if it did happen to get knocked off while driving down the highway, that engine won't shut down until its alreads stopped receiving oil from the low pressure pump. now with an automatic you might be lucky if the tc unlocks, but with a stick that thing is going to become a break real fast.

you could not be a sally and just get alittle oil on your hands, then not have to worry about engine damage at all because your lazy and now all your oil is on the ground and on the underside of your truck

[/ QUOTE ]

Lazy and a sally? Well that is a little rude, just having a simple discussion here; besides, one mans lazy is another mans ingenuity. If you knew what mechanically happens when a rock knocks the valve off already then why did you ask...someone was simply trying to help.

Really, I wouldn't worry about it...in fact I don't; there are far more what-ifs to worry about than that. The valve adds about an extra 1.25 inches to the length and has some pretty stout threading (also I don't have many rock marks on my oil pan now)...I'd be interested to see what kind of beating they could take...bet it's pretty good. I have a feeling that losing the drain valve would cause a few other bells and whistles to go off prior to destroying the motor...

It's too bad someond doesn't have a test motor out there to see really what will happen when you lose oil at that slow of a rate through the drain pan; there have been many reports on the forum of an engine being two or three quarts low and performing horribly and eventually shutting off. It takes about 90 seconds to drain the oil pan, surely that's enough time for things to lose function and shut the motor off prior to siezing the starving beauty...what a science project that would be.

 

[Larry P]

The engine will probably stall way before you ever burn anything up if the valve breaks off (which probably will never happen unless you are the unluckiest person alive) and the oil leaks out.

A friend of mine had the O rings in his HPOP blow out the other day driving down the road. By the time he saw the smoke and saw the oil streaming out behind him his engine had stalled. He still had 6 quarts of oil in the crankcase.

Larry /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[Oneof6]

I have run mine over 100K, no leaks, no rocks knocking the valve off. If I had a 4X2 sitting lower without the front axle assembly in front of it I might not run the valve. With 4X4 Could it happen? Sure anything could happen. That same rock could just as easily knock a hole in the thin oil filter element. That same rock could knock a hole in the radiator or make a transmission line leak. My favorite unlikely a FO knocks a hole in the fuel tank and simultaneously crosses a wire someone has run to a high amp breaker causing a spark and fire, again not likely. It, a Fumoto valve, is just a matter of convenience, if you like a more convenient DYI oil changes a Fumoto valve is a good idea. If you don't care and occasionally change plug washers and torque the plug you won't have any leaks either. 106

 

[Ggg6]

Houndog I feel your pain, those copper washers used to be $o.95 at my stealer about two years ago. They were bought out and the parts prices went way up, now they want $9.95 for the same washer, I told them to go and pound sand. I went to a mom and pop hardware store (I do not like the box stores) and bought a whole bag of 30 washers for about $10 I figure I will not need more then that by the time I get rid of this truck.
As a side note you can anneal the washers with a torch and soften them up and they will seal just fine again.
As far as the Fumoto valve goes, I have a 4x4 so if something should bend my D60 axle back far enough to knock the valve off of my pan I have much bigger problems then laking some oil. I will say this though, on my Dodge Cummins 2wd the drain plug is flush with the cross member so I do not run the Fumoto on that truck because it will be the lowest thing hanging down on the front end.
Wackerjr hit the nail on the head as far as the engine will die without the oil supply. Over the years there have been several engines here on TDS that mistakenly were started without oil in the pan, or the plug was left out (huge mess) and nobody had to replace bearings. The engine might run for a few seconds then it will die, thats it, no big deal.