[stackedpsd99]

I was driving down 301 in MD today on the way down to the farm and I noticed a few diesels pulled over... Thought nothing of it but when I got to the farm the vet told me she was pulled over and the cops were checking for "off road diesel." They were taking fuel samples she said and if they found anything other then regular diesel they were handing out $5,000 fines for the first offense. Of course she wasn't running anything other then regular stuff so she went about her way. That's when I recalled this forum and reading about alot of people running veggie oil, and bxx in their trucks and was wondering if it is illegal since I have no idea. I saw Stacey on the show "Trucks" on TNN with a kit you can buy to make the diesel and I was thinking why would they show that if it was illegal!? Any help...?

I know it is a federal offense to manufacture diesel and then sell it, since fuel is imported and therefore makes it interstate commerce and therefore federal in nature. Thanks in advance!

 

[ceej]

They put dye in diesel sold for off-road use. No road tax.




Ceej
84 6.9 4X4

 

[markccalhoun]

Here in Texas, to "legally" run bio-diesel in your on-the-road vehicle you are supposed to get a permit from the State Comptroller's Office to make bio-diesel. Then you are supposed to declare how much you make/use every month. You are supposed to pay the $0.42/gal road taxes on what you use. The police can legally ask to see your tax permit and you better have it on you and show it to them or you're going to get one of those tickets.

If your exhaust smells like french fries, you can bet your bottom dollar they are gonna want to see your permit.

I want to start making it and I have investigated this thouroughly (sp?) and this is the "correct" way to do it. However, if you think I would honestly tell the government how much I used, you got another think coming!

Now if I can just figure out how to get my stats in my sig.....

Later on, Mark

 

[StorminNorman]

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I know it is a federal offense to manufacture diesel and then sell it, since fuel is imported and therefore makes it interstate commerce and therefore federal in nature. Thanks in advance!

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HUH? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[StorminNorman]

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If your exhaust smells like french fries, you can bet your bottom dollar they are gonna want to see your permit.

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So much for buying Bio Willie.



[/ QUOTE ]Now if I can just figure out how to get my stats in my sig.....

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Look in the task bar above and click on "My Home"

 

[bluenavigator]

How can cops tell what kind of biodiesel in our trucks? I know that there is Willie Nelson's truck stop that serves biodiesel and other places that sells biodiesel in Texas as well as numerous places sell biodiesel all over our country. If the cop catch us with biodiesel in our tanks, how can cop demend tax permit if we buy them, not brew them? Make sense at all?

 

[frobozz]

Back to the original poster's point, what the cops were checking for was red dye in the diesel. Lots of farmers, who buy the cheaper (no road taxes) dyed diesel for farm use, also put it in their road-going trucks to save money, and the feds slap them pertty hard if they catch them. So if you aren't illegally running dyed diesel, you have nothing to worry about. So far as I have heard, nobody in the US is sniffing diesel exhaust looking for homebrew tax-evaders (yet - though they have been doing exactly that in the UK!)

As far as the homebrew vs commercial biodiesel question, that's a good point. Though if there's not a BioWillie or other biodiesel sales point anywhere near where they catch you, or you can't offer to take them back to the station you bought your biodiesel from, it might be a tad harder to plead innocence on the spot. And if you *are* evading taxes with homebrew, you really don't want to push them into further investigation, I would think. Let's all hope biodiesel becomes more mainstream soon (i.e. sold at stations everywhere), before the feds start getting any ideas about sniffing peoples' exhaust.

Duncan

 

[bork]

What about using WVO ? Actually the Gov ought to give us a little bonus if caught, less oil imported. Or till there are so many of us making an impact, but how many are we .01 % of diesels on road ? Are we breking the bank? (DOT)

 

[mattymx]

The big picture on this is that if we run off road diesel, WVO, or SVO, "BIG BROTHER" does not get his share of road tax. I can se in the near future we are going to have penalties for running alternative fuels like we do now.
But the good arguement is this:
Electric cars dont pay road tax of any kind. heck, you get a "TAX CUT" if you drive an electric car.
How is that for a double standard?

 

[frashdog]

I would not be suprised to see aroad tax based on miles driven. Our NYS inspection process has made it easy to keep track of milage. This would make it more fair concerning all the issues around who is not paying enough or too much of their share.
Steve

 

[frashdog]

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Actually the Gov ought to give us a little bonus if caught, less oil imported.

[/ QUOTE ] No way, not the way it works here.

Our government is actually set up to benifit from importing more oil at higher costs. Saudis sell oil, make money. We have an agreement with them to reinvest monies (called petrodollars, google it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif) back into our economy. This fact is the main reason we do not like Iran, Iraq, and Venezula. They want to keep most, if not all the money in their countries. Besides the fact that if they started selling oil in our market it could drop the barrel prices dramatically, inturn lowering the petro dollars.

Steve

 

[oldmikegraham]

Ag diesel is dyed red. Most complicated part of the test is getting a probe (fancy word for stick) down your fuel tank for a sample (fancy word for stick with red dye on it). AG fuel not taxed, caught on road with it...you #2! Pun intended, although I believe the police ought to have more than "diesel truck" as reasonable suspicion for stop.

 

[Partsman]

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I would not be suprised to see aroad tax based on miles driven. Our NYS inspection process has made it easy to keep track of milage. This would make it more fair concerning all the issues around who is not paying enough or too much of their share.
Steve

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I think thats exactly whats going to happen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

 

[bigblockranger]

Just take the diesel tags off your truck or better yet tag it to look like a gas truck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[MrPlowJr_EZ_V]

There was talk of requiring DOT stickers on all Commercially registered vehicles in NewYork... meaning anything over 6800lbs needs DOT stickers, which they use to track mileage, and you must pay by the mile, in addition to your 130 registration fee every 2 years... If I remember correctly it wasen't cheap either somthing like 9-11 cents a mile!

 

[frashdog]

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Just take the diesel tags off your truck or better yet tag it to look like a gas truck

[/ QUOTE ] like a Hemi badge or Hemi inside sticker /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif