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DEF Date Codes and API Certification

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I was wondering the same thing about the heat. Since our 5 gal tank is meant to go 5,000 - 6,000 miles between fillups, that means many many months of DEF storage in the truck. Knock on wood I haven't had a contaminated DEF code thrown - which idles you... I don't drive the truck all that often. Maybe it is a good thing I top it off often - so I am always putting some "fresh" DEF in.

I live in South Florida - we don't get triple digit heat, but I gotta believe that if the inside of my truck gets to 135 - 150 in the summer, so does the DEF in the tank.
 
Erich,

I figured it wasn't a big deal somehow, since I haven't gotten an contaminated DEF errors. I have had a 6.7 since mid 2010 and never got an error. I am the only one that puts DEF or Diesel in my truck, so that I don't worry about the wrong fluid getting put in the wrong hole. And it is funny, as much as I hear people here complain about DEF and DIESEL fill tubes being in the same "door", on the Chevy sites they complain about the DEF fill tub being under the hood and how it is a pain to fill, they wish it was like the "Fords". Kind of a grass in greener on the other side thing. In the new trucks I like the DEF GAUGE - this "guessing" at how much you have stinks.

Around town I get close to the 1,000 miles per gal. on the road I go down to about 800, but it really doesn't matter as much then anyways, since on my summer drives I typically put on several thousand miles. BTW, ever notice running biodiesel gets you less MPG on the DEF? (It does as Bio produces more NOX) I use my truck's capabilities to keep up with traffic too...

Your exact scenario of a non-resetting countdown is why I try to keep the DEF topped off. My truck was in the range that was affected by that error and I have new Nox sensors under the recall. I just figure if I am stopping for fuel and bulk DEF is available, I might as well top off. Since bulk DEF isn't at every station. I also refill my two 1 gal. DEF jugs filled as well. I have range and fuel station anxiety, so I keep 2 extra gal of DEF and 20-30 extra gal. of diesel on board when I travel. Long beds are nice to have for this. I used to drive diesel pickups when it seemed like only 1/6 of the stations had diesel and it wasn't available at every interstate exit there was gas at. Now of course, it is much better, closer to 3/4 of the stations have it, but old habits die hard.
 
Dak:

Great observation on DEF refill port location opinions. If you can believe it, some motorhome manufacturers put the fill port on the opposite side of the coach, making it impossible to add diesel and fuel at the same stop at a truck stop. Lots of complaints about that one. I like the fill port under the fuel door, but don't like using a funnel. I use a spout I made myself because the Ford spout has a finicky vent, and the other spouts I found were leaky.

Have not tried biodiesel yet, but will later this year. Based on what I've discovered, clean diesels running biodiesel could be a big thing. Audi, BMW, VW, Ford, Chev, etc. are all making diesel powered passenger cars that are cleaner than gas and get amazing fuel economy. For me the 6.7 diesel torque and power compared to my previous 1999 F350 V10 4X4 Crewcab, (even with a number of power adders on it) is like night and day. I was considering adding a supercharger or turbocharger to the V10 until I test drove the new diesels. No-brainer which way to go. I've been told by researchers in the diesel emissions field that 6% DEF dosing to further reduce NOx (as opposed to the typical 2-3% now) could mostly eliminate the need for diesel particulate filter ACTIVE regeneration and improve efficiency of the engine by increasing combustion temps and pressures and further reducing EGR contributions to the intake air. This might be as simple as a reflash of the engine control module.

I'd much rather have a DEF gauge on my truck. I've yet to get a satisfactory answer from Ford on this one. I believe the answer is that if DEF range is greater than oil change interval, then no gauge is required. When I use the truck for what it designed for (hauling heavy loads at freeway speeds), we get 10-11 MPG diesel and 500-600 MPG DEF. Later this year, I'm going to try and make a setup that uses the OBD2 port and a transmitter to send the DEF level data to a smart phone. I've seen the sensors, and am sure they provide continuous level readings. Similar setups are available for other vehicle data like EGT off the OBD2.

We like to stay off the highways whenever we travel, so I share your concerns about finding the next fuel/DEF stop. We make our own DEF (long story) so I carry the urea dry and make 2.7 gallons (using distilled water) every 3 days or so which is about our usage with the camper in the bed. We've had the DEF tested by an independent lab and it meets or exceeds spec requirements. Kind of like making your own biodiesel, but for DEF.

Erich
I don't know how the newer Fords are, but the 2011 I have only has a few sensors in the tank, there is no float or way to measure the exact level. One of the reasons you need to put 5 - gal. in to "reset" it.

And I refill my DEF tank at least once before I am due an oil change too. I don't know how Ford thought 5-gal would last until an oil change. Active regen elimination with higher DEF usage would be nice. Diesel is $4/gal vs. $2.79/gal for bulk DEF.

I normally wouldn't post this, but since you are new and this site doesn't give you a pop-up when you have a DM waiting, I sent you a DM regarding the make your own DEF that you do....
 
Is filling DEF at a truck stop, from the pump, the best way to go? I have a station very close to home with this. Seems the most convenient, for sure. Only done it once so far as the truck is quite new to me. Took $.32 :ack:
So far the cheapest way to do it and you know it is "full". How many miles did you drive before you tried to fill up with DEF. Sometimes the pumps are a little finicky. Obviously if it spills over and gurgles down you know you are full. DEF Freezes, so if you are in one of those climates and only take shot trips you may not use much. Some Northern Canadians and Alaskans report using very little DEF in the winter when they only take short trips. (There is a DEF heater - so a longer trip will cause the DEF thaw out and turn back to a liquid)

Having said that a lot of use keep spare DEF around, because you may forget to fill it up until the truck says "800 miles to idle" and you might not be able to find any easily. I checked out Five Star DEF's web site, and they have a unique idea - selling DEF in dry form and you mix it with distilled water when you need it. It stays fresh a lot longer that way. I admit that I keep some around. My current method is to fill up the truck DEF tank with my 2 gal. jugs first and then the next time I top off the truck, I refill the jugs. That way the jugs always have fresh DEF in them. The jugs don't last long on my long drives when the jugs are in the back of the truck bed in a rubbermaid container and when I am home I keep them in my A/C garage.
 
I had driven just over 100 miles, only had the truck for 2 or 3 days when I topped off the DEF. With no guage I wanted to make sure it was full. Took my time, DEF ended up coming out of the pipe, so its full. Funny thing is the truck stop recommended running my card for $30 (had to pre-authorize in order to turn the DEF pump on). But $.32 is all I got. At least the tank came full from the dealer :thumbsup:

The truck stop I'm referring to has DEF pumps at each of the big truck diesel pumps. Small nozzels, fit the DEF tank perfectly.
perfect... never had a def nozzle fitting issue I think they got those standardized. It is the magnet part that we don't have that the big rigs do.
 
Five Star DEF -Yes that is the magnet. You can "defeat" it manually by very slowly pressing the handle in. It will never pump out full speed, but enough to fill the truck and any jugs you may have. It is a little tricky, but there is a sweet spot. Not all of the places have a magnet to borrow and the few extra minutes was worth the $7 a gal difference, especially when I pumped 4-5 gal... That would have about paid for the magnet to just have around... (I admit, I have been lazy and haven't bought on yet).

Also, Harbor freight has ring magnets that are much cheaper that that clamp... Assuming that is all the clamp is, might be able to save some coin there. Five Star for their solution to integrating it into the jug and the rest of us to save money.