[fh34]

I have a 1999 International dump with a DT466E (210hp) Does anyone know if I can install an engine/exhaust brake on this engine. And any product info would be great.

Thanks
Fred

 

[Ggg6]

You can install an exhaust brake, but they are not very effective on automatics. The 466 is too small for a Jacobs engine brake.

 

[Birken Vogt]

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You can install an exhaust brake, but they are not very effective on automatics. The 466 is too small for a Jacobs engine brake.

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They work no different on an automatic than a manual

Birken

 

[LMJD]

Yes, Blue Ox makes one for the DT 466s. Blue Ox is the old original exhaust brake company. We had a bunch of DT466s at work (about 34) and all, or at least most of them, had Blue Ox's on them. However, I personally never was impressed with their effectiveness.

I might add, all ours had air brakes, and the Blue Ox worked off the air system, if your truck doesn't have air they may not make an alternative I don't know.

 

[Ggg6]

Birken -I will just say that I respectfully disagree, nothing personal as I respect your opinion. I am basing my opinion on standard converter slippage as well as even if it has a lock up converter the pump will only make sufficient holding pressure till about 1500 RPM then the clutch will start to slip. But compared to a engine brake the exhaust brakes just don't compare, I'm sure you would agree.

 

[Birken Vogt]

Any truck that has a DT466 installed will have an Allison automatic, and almost all Allisons have a lockup convertor (99% of 466s will not have the AT series which is the only one that doesn't). They do not operate like pickup truck automatics; they lock the convertor solid in the middle of 3rd for the older ones and the middle of 2nd for the more modern ones, and at any time the throttle is at idle in any gear so long as there is forward motion, i.e. right up to the stop sign. The convertor clutch does not slip, period. Transmission oil pressure is held constant by the regulator and unless there is serious leakage, is not variable based on engine speed.

It makes for harsher driving but it is a much better system than pickup truck style.

Birken

 

[LMJD]

Actually all ours were 5 speed manuals with 2 speed rear ends and I agree with you on the Allison operation. We had some behind 6V53's long ago and they were as you stated.

 

[Diesel-Dave]

I have a 2004 International 4400 with the DT466. I am not knowledgable enough to know how your engine differs from mine and whether a Jacobs exhaust brake can be added. I ordered mine with the Jacobs built exhaust brake and the Allison 3060 automatic transmission. The combination works VERY well. Birken's description is correct.

Dave

 

[ET156]

Blue Ox exhaust brake .com will have what you need. I am installing the blue ox for my 1998 International the complete set up goes for around $1300.00. The blue ox is recommended international here in Tacoma Wa.

 

[LMJD]

Regardless of the automatic/manual trans discussion, as I posted, we had Blue Ox's on quite a few DT466's with 5 speed manuals and 2 speed rear ends and I remember test driving a LOT of them and coming down the grade into town the exhaust brake had hardly any retarding effect whatsoever. And these were empty dump trucks, not loaded.

 

[HosackJ93]

Not true. My old boss had an 01 International 3800 series (or whatever the truck equivalent is) and it had a 6 speed Eaton manual.

Any truck that has a DT466 installed will have an Allison automatic, and almost all Allisons have a lockup convertor (99% of 466s will not have the AT series which is the only one that doesn't). They do not operate like pickup truck automatics; they lock the convertor solid in the middle of 3rd for the older ones and the middle of 2nd for the more modern ones, and at any time the throttle is at idle in any gear so long as there is forward motion, i.e. right up to the stop sign. The convertor clutch does not slip, period. Transmission oil pressure is held constant by the regulator and unless there is serious leakage, is not variable based on engine speed.

It makes for harsher driving but it is a much better system than pickup truck style.

Birken