[nsp447]

i tried asking this question in another thread but had no results...so i'll try again. are the aftermarket exhaust brakes(with external vacuum cannister??) better than the mod swamp has posted on his site? if so why? as i recall, the aftermarket kits can go welll over $1000.00 as compared to swamp's version which would cost about $25 or so. what's the story with these things? i once remember that this forum was kinda against any type of exhaust brake setup due to possible engine damage?

thanks,
darren

 

[pabrannan]

Your aftermarket exh. kits for the big bucks will do a better job of slowing you down. But the electronic ones will do an adequate job if you employ the TC lockup with it. Choice is yours, pay $$$$$$ or $$$$ or $$ or $. Me I paid the $$+ and it does me fine for what I have.

Paul B

 

[spdiesel]

http://www.spdiesel.com


ours is fully electronic using the EBV valve on the truck and can control your TC as well improving its' functionality. give us an email questions if you have them.

 

[SmokeyWren]

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i once remember that this forum was kinda against any type of exhaust brake setup due to possible engine damage?

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"This forum" is mostly pro exhaust valve. The electronic kind first pushed by Mark Craig was a big hit because it was less than half the cost of the "real" exhaust brakes now sold by BD, Banks, PACBrake, etc. And the new generation such as the one sold by SP Diesel is even cheaper and better than the Mark Craig specials of 1999. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

But Ford is dead set against any sort of exhaust brake installed on a PSD. They will immediately void your engine warranty with no chance to rebut their decision if they even see one installed. All the nonsense about Ford having to prove anything is hogwash - they don't have to prove anything - they simply void your factory warranty. Period.

So I suppose every time I point out Ford's policy that sorta sounds like the "forum" was saying it. But it's not the members of the forum - just Ford.

And last I heard, Ford has still not changed their tune. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[drmiller100]

fwiw, my dad has the banks kit on his dodge 12 valver.

i have the electronic versino on my ford.

i think my electronic wokrs at LEAST as well as his banks kit.

spending 1200 bucks to remove the factory butterfly and install an aftermarket one is confusing to me.

-doug

 

[nvcowboy]

I think some of the later trucks may be coming from the factory with the factory butterflies as part of the "tow command" settings. For those of us with older trucks, we have no other butterflies to replace.

1. I have only really felt like I needed (A$$ sucking stuffing out of the seat) an exhaust brake one time (Tioga Pass to the bottom of Yosemite towing with camper). Been a few times (Colorado) where it would have been nice.

2. If the big tube looking Banks EB is really what I get, and not some Dodge part, then, I really like the looks of the unit. Install buddy says they are a MAJOR PITA (not animal rights) to install.

3. Pretty sure that electronic EB is fine for me. Hoping that by the time factory warratny runs out, DP Tuner will have a EB Program for his chips. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[DarkShadowDiesel]

fwiw, the issue with the bolt on exhaust brakes is that hydraulic lifters (which the 7.3 has) have lower a backpressure tolerance (which is how exhaust brakes work), which is why ford will void your warranty if you have one. that's also why jacobs has not developed one for the psd.
regards
chase

 

[afboone88]

Hi everyone, been working really hard and haven't had time to come on the forum. In regards to the exhaust brake/TC box by SPDiesel here is the original thread after I installed it in my truck.
link

Now how do I still feel? It's awesome /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif I let the wife drive with the trailer and she did feel much better about stopping with the SPDiesel box on. I still recommend it to anyone. Now about the warranty well that's your call I can't convince you to take the chance to void but it really is nice to have. Enjoy!

 

[GSXRTURBOQUAD]

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fwiw, the issue with the bolt on exhaust brakes is that hydraulic lifters (which the 7.3 has) have lower a backpressure tolerance (which is how exhaust brakes work), which is why ford will void your warranty if you have one. that's also why jacobs has not developed one for the psd.
regards
chase

[/ QUOTE ] PERIOD.

If you have one and you like it, great. But it's not for everyone. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif

 

[pristine]

I have had a BD E-brake for four years. It has worked great and at times I am at the GCWR. While still under warranty, the turbo bolts fell out. I took it to the dealer, and they replaced the turbo under warranty. I would like anyone (challenge) to name one person who has had their engine damaged by an E-brake. The "I heard of a friend of a friend" just doesn't cut it in my book. If a person wants to use a brake, more power to them. A well tusted Ford tech that I spoke with said he had never heard of a problem. FWIW
jgr

 

[DarkShadowDiesel]

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I have had a BD E-brake for four years. It has worked great and at times I am at the GCWR. While still under warranty, the turbo bolts fell out. I took it to the dealer, and they replaced the turbo under warranty. I would like anyone (challenge) to name one person who has had their engine damaged by an E-brake. The "I heard of a friend of a friend" just doesn't cut it in my book. If a person wants to use a brake, more power to them. A well tusted Ford tech that I spoke with said he had never heard of a problem. FWIW
jgr

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Well, the only thing I can recommend is that you challenge Jacobs Engineering and Navistar. I don't think anyone said they heard of damage that I saw (but I could be wrong), but I would read on Jacobs website about the statement I referenced regarding the lifters.....when I find it, I'll link it.
regards
chase
on edit, here is the link: http://www.jakebrake.com/support/faqs.php#FAQ4
I do not see any reference to actual damage occuring, they simply state that damage "will cause some degree of valve float"

 

[TheHammer69]

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I have had a BD E-brake for four years. It has worked great and at times I am at the GCWR. While still under warranty, the turbo bolts fell out. I took it to the dealer, and they replaced the turbo under warranty. I would like anyone (challenge) to name one person who has had their engine damaged by an E-brake. The "I heard of a friend of a friend" just doesn't cut it in my book. If a person wants to use a brake, more power to them. A well tusted Ford tech that I spoke with said he had never heard of a problem. FWIW
jgr

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Well, the only thing I can recommend is that you challenge Jacobs Engineering and Navistar. I don't think anyone said they heard of damage that I saw (but I could be wrong), but I would read on Jacobs website about the statement I referenced regarding the lifters.....when I find it, I'll link it.
regards
chase

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Here's the link: http://www.jakebrake.com/support/faqs.php#FAQ4

Hammer

 

[diesel_doctor]

The issue of the lifters is more it limits the amount of braking they can design into the brake. We can only get about 250 HP max. If we had solid lifters and could install stiffer exhaust springs this number could be much higher.
Any kit should have safegaurds built in. Example is at max RPM the amount of leakage around the valve makes it impossible to exceed the limit on back pressure.

The newer style pacbrake can hold this pressure over a wide range of RPM instead of just at max RPM.

 

[DavePSD]

I'm with you afboone88. I also have a SP Diesel exhaust brake and love it. Never had any problems with it, works exactly as they said it would!!! Sean is very helpful if you have any install questions or problems, it doesn't matter if you're new to modifications or experienced, he'll help you.

As far as the Ford warranty goes, is there really anyone one this site that hasn't done some type of modification that runs the risk of "voiding" their warranty? It's really up to your dealer. A relative of mine purchased a SCMT from the dealer and the dealer installed it on his 2004 6.0L F-350. It really seems to depend on the relationship you have with the dealer.

Back to SP Diesel's exhaust brake. Mine also has the TC lock up controller in it. One of the coolest features is that you can program when it locks and unlocks. You program it through the cruise control on the steering wheel. Once it's programmed, you can forget about it or make adjustments as you see fit. Really is an awesome feature.

 

[NoPlugs]

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I'm with you afboone88. I also have a SP Diesel exhaust brake and love it. Never had any problems with it, works exactly as they said it would!!! Sean is very helpful if you have any install questions or problems, it doesn't matter if you're new to modifications or experienced, he'll help you.

As far as the Ford warranty goes, is there really anyone one this site that hasn't done some type of modification that runs the risk of "voiding" their warranty? It's really up to your dealer. A relative of mine purchased a SCMT from the dealer and the dealer installed it on his 2004 6.0L F-350. It really seems to depend on the relationship you have with the dealer.

Back to SP Diesel's exhaust brake. Mine also has the TC lock up controller in it. One of the coolest features is that you can program when it locks and unlocks. You program it through the cruise control on the steering wheel. Once it's programmed, you can forget about it or make adjustments as you see fit. Really is an awesome feature.

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I'll back up DavePSD and afboone88's experiences 100%.
I also have the same setup as DavePSD on our 2001 7.3L Excursion Limited with auto trans and if I felt the exhaust brake did any damage to the engine I just wouldn't have it on my truck. I tow a 31 foot Dutchmen 10,000lb. bunkhouse travel trailer with mine and I'm extremely pleased with the additional braking.
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Todd