[ADDA]

I just wanted to know what these trucks max out at if you were to up the springs, how much weight could everything else possibly handle eg. brakes, frame, tires and other suspention parts? I know legaly your only allowed to carry 19000GVW. I uped my front springs from the factory and added about 1ton in srings in the back. So far I've had up to 7ton in my box plus weight of box(1.5ton)on the truck. I had that much twice short distances and the truck handled that fine, suspention and brakes everything. Am I asking for it from carrying this much even if I upgrade the springs? Will something else damage besides the springs? Just curious, most times I carry between 5-5.75tons.
Thanks.

 

[firefighter9208]

I think tires are the area that you have to worry about. You can add all the springs and airbags you want, but when it really comes down to it the amount you can safely haul is based on the weight rating of the rims and tires. I'm not sure of the type of tires you have, but you can look on the sidewalls and see what the weight rating is. Make sure you look at the duals rating on the rear tires, because it is usually several hundred pounds less than the singles rating.

I have hauled 1.5 to 2 tons in the back of my F250 several times. The truck handled it very easily with plenty of suspension travel, but I was vastly surpassing the weight rating of my E load range (3740 lbs per tire) tires when you figure in the weight of the truck.

JHMO

Firefighter9208

 

[SmokeyWren]

Tires, rear axle, and rear springs are all rated for a max weight of 13,660 pounds on the rear end of the truck. So pumping up the rear springs will do you zero good unless you also spend the big bucks for a new, heavier-duty, rear axle and tires and wheels.

If you need to gross more than 13,660 on the rear axle or 19,000 GVW, then you bought the wrong truck. That's why they make the F-650 and F-750. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

 

[ADDA]

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Tires, rear axle, and rear springs are all rated for a max weight of 13,660 pounds on the rear end of the truck. So pumping up the rear springs will do you zero good unless you also spend the big bucks for a new, heavier-duty, rear axle and tires and wheels.

If you need to gross more than 13,660 on the rear axle or 19,000 GVW, then you bought the wrong truck. That's why they make the F-650 and F-750. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

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The f650 is too big of a truck hard to manuver.
I've calculated the tires and in the rear they can take 16500 pounds alone, that's just the rear. I know alot of people that says the F550 can go way past it's GVW saftly, with out upgrading the springs.

 

[powerboatr]

"I know alot of people that says the F550 can go way past it's GVW saftly, with out upgrading the springs"

not to blast or upset.
but were are these people? If Ford does all the research/design/testing, wouldnt they know by default.
maybe they fall on the conservative side of ratings to be safe, but exceeding the rated gvwr is silly. 13k on the back of a truck is considerable.

beleive me where i live in rural Al. i have seen it all.
f150s pulling huge goosenecks with combines on the back.
gmc 2500 pulling flatbed pintle trailers with steam rollers on them
they adjust the hitch so hitch its almost to the mid level of the tailgate, just so the trailer doesnt drag.

 

[SmokeyWren]

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I've calculated the tires and in the rear they can take 16500 pounds alone, that's just the rear.

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Your calculator is broken. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

The LT225/70Rx19.5F tires on an F-550 when mounted on dual rear wheels have a load limit of 3,415 pounds at 95 PSI. Last time I checked, 3,415 times 4 = 13,660. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

 

[ADDA]

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I've calculated the tires and in the rear they can take 16500 pounds alone, that's just the rear.

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Your calculator is broken. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

The LT225/70Rx19.5F tires on an F-550 when mounted on dual rear wheels have a load limit of 3,415 pounds at 95 PSI. Last time I checked, 3,415 times 4 = 13,660. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

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My bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif

Ford may design the truck but they have regulation for people like me that super load the truck, and they must be able to handle weight way past the GVW, or else it would not be fit for the road.
Case in point I have a 10 ton trailler(trailer+cargo). It's rated to put 8ton carrying weight, but even the owner of the place I bought it from said I could go as high as 9.5 ton on it if I had to for short distances.
The most I 've had is 10t by accident. I never new I loaded that much. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Not that I condone overloading trucks, but back in the early 80s my dad was running a 1976 F-100 300cid (with beefed-up springs, tires, and swapped the column 3-spd for a 4-spd off the floor) that regularly saw 1, 1.5, sometimes as much as 2 tons in the bed and on the rack.

In 1985 he bought his first diesel (F-250 6.9L) and in 1992 the '76 (300,000 miles) was given to a 19 year old employee. The kid destroyed the engine in two months.

 

[awayne]

Why does ford have in the brochure that it is rated to carry 24K+ by 5th wheel?

 

[SmokeyWren]

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Why does ford have in the brochure that it is rated to carry 24K+ by 5th wheel?

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The "tow rating" in the brochure is not realistic.

That's with an F-550 with XL trim and no options other than the high-capacity towing pkg. And absolutely nothing in the truck but one skinny driver. Of course, nobody buys a truck like that, and nobody runs cross country towing a big 5er without some other folks and stuff in the truck. Except for maybe a few commercial truckers delivering RVs for a living.

With a 33,000 GCWR, assume your wet and loaded tow vehicle will gross at least 10,000 pounds, so that leaves 23,000 pounds max trailer weight without busting the GCWR. Not quite the 24,000+ Ford says. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif

 

[nodoubt1]

man smoky i bet you got some serious callusus { lol at the spellin !} on your fangers.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif......and i thought i spent alot of time on the internet.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

 

[awayne]

My '06 has the 4.88 LS auto PSD Crew Cab 4x2 in which I have 33,000 GCWR or 24,300 5th wheel.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2005/2005_F350-450-550.pdf

 

[ADDA]

If mine says 33,000 CVWR fith wheel(with high capacity pkg)..then what would be a tag along/pintle hook weight rating?

 

[SmokeyWren]

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My '06 has the 4.88 LS auto PSD Crew Cab 4x2 in which I have 33,000 GCWR or 24,300 5th wheel.

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You're right, Wayne. I was confusing you with another guy that has a new TowBoss. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Notice I edited that post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

The F-550 PSD automatic with the high capacity towing pkg has a GCWR of 33,000 pounds. Count on the wet and loaded tow vehicle grossing about 10,000 pounds, so that leaves 23,000 pounds for the max weight of a 5er. And with a GVWR of 17,500 pounds, you have up to 7,500 pounds available for hitch weight. Now you can tow that 40-foot Travel Supreme or Alfa ToyHouse. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

 

[SmokeyWren]

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man smoky i bet you got some serious callusus { lol at the spellin !} on your fangers.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif......and i thought i spent alot of time on the internet.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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I usually spend a few hours each day I'm home on TheDieselStop. I've been doing that for 6.5 years, so I average a little over 9 posts per day. That's not many, considering I was a moderator for about 5 years of that time, and moderators usually make a few posts per day that are part of their moderator duties. But I retired as a moderator a few weeks ago, so now I'm just a normal member enjoying helping others on TheDieselStop. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif

 

[SmokeyWren]

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If mine says 33,000 CVWR fith wheel(with high capacity pkg)..then what would be a tag along/pintle hook weight rating?

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Usually limited by the weakest link in the weight rating of your receiver and other parts of your hitch.

With a humongus receiver and pintle hitch setup rated for 23,000 pounds or more, the max would be GCWR of the tow vehicle minus the weight of your wet and loaded tow vehicle. Or probably about 23,000 pounds if your hitch is rated that high.

But your receiver is probably not rated that high. The Reese TowBeast receiver for F-550 is rated at a max of 12,000 pounds with a pintle hook. Click here

The heaviest Reese pintle-hook mounting plate is rated for 12,000 pounds. The actual pintel hooks are rated for more, if you have a receiver and mounting plate (draw bar) that's rated that high. Click here.

 

[Mwheeler]

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If mine says 33,000 CVWR fith wheel(with high capacity pkg)..then what would be a tag along/pintle hook weight rating?

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Ford specs say you can pull up to a 16k tagalong with a 550--assuming you have a hitch rated to handle that much weight.

 

[ADDA]

[ QUOTE ]
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If mine says 33,000 CVWR fith wheel(with high capacity pkg)..then what would be a tag along/pintle hook weight rating?

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Ford specs say you can pull up to a 16k tagalong with a 550--assuming you have a hitch rated to handle that much weight.

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The most I've actaully pulled so far is 12ton wich is cargo plus trailler. Limited only by the amount the trailler can carry. The most the truck has carried and pulled together so far is 15tons not including the weight of the truck, wich is another 5.5ton.

 

[bmonaweck02]

I've got a 2007 F450 that is completely stock, no added springs or airbags. The trucks is easily grossing 26,000 lbs and the springs have not hit the stoppers. Have not actually had it weighed (scared to see how much it weighs) but I do know that it is well beyond 24,00 lbs.

 

[ryhed]

um yeah, this post was from 2005.