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Can the factory brake controller work with electric over hydraulic brakes? I don't have my truck here to check the manual but have a line on a great deal for a trailer with this style of brakes.
Ford's TowCommand and ElecDraulic Brakes
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The original TowCommand was not compatible. They have since modified with software in the controller and I do not know if this solved the issues with electric over hydraulic brakes.
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Appreciate the response. I have since gotten both 3 different answers:
1) No way...electric only
2) Yep no problem
3) Should be ok with new software but no one can give me a solid answer to this.
1) No way...electric only
2) Yep no problem
3) Should be ok with new software but no one can give me a solid answer to this.
Just finished an 860 mile trip pulling a new Yellowfin 38 center console fishing boat with a new 2006 F250 shortbed crew cab Laramie 4x4 Powerstroke automatic.
The trailer had Kodiak electric/hydraulic disc brakes on all six wheels. Out of curiosity, we weighed the rig at a truck stop, and the trailer axles alone were 12,800 LBS. Total truck/trailer combined was 21,460 Lbs. We used the Tow Command with the gain set around 3 and the brakes worked GREAT. No bad habits. With the gain set up around 6, the trailer brakes alone would stop the whole rig fairly quick. We tried this to see just how much braking force the trailer was applying. About the second day, I got out the owners' manual and read the towing section. It does say to not use the Tow Command with electric/hydraulic brakes, yet it does NOT say why not! ????
By that point we had already pulled 500 miles trouble free.
The truck managed 7.5 average MPG (hand calculated, dividing the gallons by the miles driven between fillups). On the trip down empty the truck was getting almost 18 MPG highway.
The trailer had Kodiak electric/hydraulic disc brakes on all six wheels. Out of curiosity, we weighed the rig at a truck stop, and the trailer axles alone were 12,800 LBS. Total truck/trailer combined was 21,460 Lbs. We used the Tow Command with the gain set around 3 and the brakes worked GREAT. No bad habits. With the gain set up around 6, the trailer brakes alone would stop the whole rig fairly quick. We tried this to see just how much braking force the trailer was applying. About the second day, I got out the owners' manual and read the towing section. It does say to not use the Tow Command with electric/hydraulic brakes, yet it does NOT say why not! ????
By that point we had already pulled 500 miles trouble free.
The truck managed 7.5 average MPG (hand calculated, dividing the gallons by the miles driven between fillups). On the trip down empty the truck was getting almost 18 MPG highway.
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Just finished an 860 mile trip pulling a new Yellowfin 38 center console fishing boat with a new 2006 F250 shortbed crew cab Laramie 4x4 Powerstroke automatic. The trailer had Kodiak electric/hydraulic disc brakes on all six wheels. Out of curiosity, we weighed the rig at a truck stop, and the trailer axles alone were 12,800 LBS. Total truck/trailer combined was 21,460 Lbs. We used the Tow Command with the gain set around 3 and the brakes worked GREAT. No bad habits. With the gain set up around 6, the trailer brakes alone would stop the whole rig fairly quick. We tried this to see just how much braking force the trailer was applying. About the second day, I got out the owners' manual and read the towing section. It does say to not use the Tow Command with electric/hydraulic brakes, yet it does NOT say why not! ????
[/ QUOTE ] Glad to hear it works well with a '06 model. With regard to the owner's manual. Who knows when it will get corrected. Look at how long the manual said that the 4R100 tranny could learn your driving patterns and adaptively adjust the shifting. Of course, this only applied to the V10 gasser, but there are still owners out there maintaining that their shifting changes after disconnecting the batteries etc.
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The truck managed 7.5 average MPG (hand calculated, dividing the gallons by the miles driven between fillups). On the trip down empty the truck was getting almost 18 MPG highway.
[/ QUOTE ] Empty sounds great but your towing mileage sucks. How fast were you driving. I manage nearly 12 mpg towing 26K# at 65 mph!
Just finished an 860 mile trip pulling a new Yellowfin 38 center console fishing boat with a new 2006 F250 shortbed crew cab Laramie 4x4 Powerstroke automatic. The trailer had Kodiak electric/hydraulic disc brakes on all six wheels. Out of curiosity, we weighed the rig at a truck stop, and the trailer axles alone were 12,800 LBS. Total truck/trailer combined was 21,460 Lbs. We used the Tow Command with the gain set around 3 and the brakes worked GREAT. No bad habits. With the gain set up around 6, the trailer brakes alone would stop the whole rig fairly quick. We tried this to see just how much braking force the trailer was applying. About the second day, I got out the owners' manual and read the towing section. It does say to not use the Tow Command with electric/hydraulic brakes, yet it does NOT say why not! ????
[/ QUOTE ] Glad to hear it works well with a '06 model. With regard to the owner's manual. Who knows when it will get corrected. Look at how long the manual said that the 4R100 tranny could learn your driving patterns and adaptively adjust the shifting. Of course, this only applied to the V10 gasser, but there are still owners out there maintaining that their shifting changes after disconnecting the batteries etc.
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The truck managed 7.5 average MPG (hand calculated, dividing the gallons by the miles driven between fillups). On the trip down empty the truck was getting almost 18 MPG highway.
[/ QUOTE ] Empty sounds great but your towing mileage sucks. How fast were you driving. I manage nearly 12 mpg towing 26K# at 65 mph!
hi, alpaca bill. I just bought a new 06 f550 and a new trailer with electric/hydraulic brakes. You need to get this part for them to work with your tow command http://www.carlislebrake.com/spec_hba-cam-controller-adapter-module.html I installed the part myself in the trailer parking lot in about 20 minuites. the pdf directions look a little confusing but it is really simple. most of the large trailer shops have the part hba-cam in stock for about $100. towed 1000 miles with it and it worked perfect.
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That would make the older Carlisle pumps compatible with the newer controllers but some hydraulic pumps are compatible out of the chute. The new Dexter pump for example does not need the part you cited.
Are elec/draulic brakes on a boat trailer essentially mandatory if you are towing in mountains?
It seems the surge brakes are going to be continully braking while going downhill.
Has anyone ever towed a trailer with just surge brakes in mountains without splicing in an 'OFF' switch using the brakes reverse-lock-out?
It seems the surge brakes are going to be continully braking while going downhill.
Has anyone ever towed a trailer with just surge brakes in mountains without splicing in an 'OFF' switch using the brakes reverse-lock-out?
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Are elec/draulic brakes on a boat trailer essentially mandatory if you are towing in mountains?
It seems the surge brakes are going to be continully braking while going downhill.
Has anyone ever towed a trailer with just surge brakes in mountains without splicing in an 'OFF' switch using the brakes reverse-lock-out?
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A friend drops into Shelter Cove Ca. with his 24 Osprey. Brakes are not mandatory. However, low range 2wd is and about 3-5mph for the steep parts is the way to go. He tried all kinds of different methods with nothing but large amounts of smoke and melted brakes. He converted to disc(the salt kills drums) but, still locks them out for the trip down. The guy won't put elec/draulic because He's cheap. His boat was over $100,000 with all the gear installed.
Are elec/draulic brakes on a boat trailer essentially mandatory if you are towing in mountains?
It seems the surge brakes are going to be continully braking while going downhill.
Has anyone ever towed a trailer with just surge brakes in mountains without splicing in an 'OFF' switch using the brakes reverse-lock-out?
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A friend drops into Shelter Cove Ca. with his 24 Osprey. Brakes are not mandatory. However, low range 2wd is and about 3-5mph for the steep parts is the way to go. He tried all kinds of different methods with nothing but large amounts of smoke and melted brakes. He converted to disc(the salt kills drums) but, still locks them out for the trip down. The guy won't put elec/draulic because He's cheap. His boat was over $100,000 with all the gear installed.
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